Gametype Feature: Old School Settings

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    The Old School Settings series of gametypes includes one of the best ways to relive the memories of past Halo games in Halo 5, but better, thanks to 60 fps, fine-tuned settings, and some extremely hard work put in by Kell of Scots and Sgt x Slaphead.

    Old School Settings are a brilliant way to get nostalgic about the games of the past extremely quick. It packs a huge amount of fine-tuning and specified settings, some of which I’ll mention later, to really hit that feeling of games like Halo 2 & Halo 3. A lot of love went into this project, and it really shows! Surprisingly, due to some changes with the movement speed, this gametype properly works on maps scaled to Halo 5’s movement speed and mechanics.

    Some notable changes include the lack of all Spartan abilities and radar, which are obvious when you first play the gametypes, however lots of other fine-tuning has occurred. In terms of movement, players move at 120 speed, close to the speed of sprint, as default. Players also get a movement acceleration of 130 on both axis, meaning that players strafe faster than normal, adding to the fast pace. Additionally, the jump height has been changed to 110 percent, reason being that the jump height in Halo 5 is actually lower than that of classic games.

    In terms of weapon and health changes, players start with the default 2 frag grenades, however they can pick up 4 of each grenade type. Players also start play with a H5 BR and pistol, as opposed to the H2 BR. This change was made because it was found that the H2 BR has too much aim assist to be fair in this mode. Also, the pistol has a faster kill time than before and can be used to finish off kills or as a primary weapon, for more skilled players. Health and shield settings have changed too in order to balance automatic rifles to be more fair.

    I had the lucky opportunity to sit down with the creators of this awesome mode, Kell Of Scots and Sgt x Slaphead, to ask them a few questions.


    Alex:
    What is Old School?

    Slap:
    I love good ol' Halo and I suppose the idea to create Old School settings was born from all that Spartan Charge raging. We didn't simply want to recreate a single Halo from 1-3 but rather take the elements we enjoyed and tweak them into a new game type. I am not opposed to the enhanced mobility that is being pushed these days but we wanted to execute it with the fluidity and refinement of a classic Halo.

    Kell:
    Bungie established what they called the golden triangle of guns, grenades and melee. In Halo 5 standard settings you are encouraged to make use of the new movement mechanics however they prevent you from using these forms of attack at all times. Sprinting lowers your weapon for example. The more refined approach to sprint is to simply increase base movement speed. This allows players to move faster while not disrupting the ability to shoot.

    Slap:
    To me, movement and offensive play is what makes a shooter exciting. Nobody likes campers but what I do like is seeing campers get naded out of their dirty hideouts, I enjoy getting into intense strafing battles and I love as a map designer being able to design around a consistent movement that doesn't present scaling issues and have me worry about people performing jumps that break my intended flow. Kell and myself wanted to push the pace of Halo a little further than it has been before while respecting the simplicity of the mechanics which made the early Halos so successful.


    Alex:
    What were your goals with Old School?

    Slap:
    To remind ourselves what it means to break a game down it's core elements. What we mean by this is that the spartan abilities are illusive. Despite their apparent speeding up of gameplay on paper, they have the reverse effect. We feel that the fluidity of the game has been hurt by the separation of movement and the ability to attack.

    Kell:
    We wanted old school settings to offer the pace and mobility of Halo 5's movement, while never limiting your option to attack.

    Our goal was not initially to make the most competitive mode possible but an accessible gametype that gets to the core of what we think makes an arena FPS awesome while a maintaining a skill gap.


    Alex:
    Why did you settle on the Halo 5 BR?

    Slap:
    We wanted to use the Halo 2 Battle Rifle for the nostalgia and the simple fact that we enjoy using it but unfortunately its aim assist and bullet magnetism along with its spread gives it a lower skill gap than we would like. The Halo 5 BRs tighter spread makes for a more consistent and skill based weapon. It's increased aim assist works well with the faster strafe speed to make aiming not too frustrating while placing emphasis on skillful strafing to win duels. The magnum works well as a side arm for finishing kills over reloading the BR while having a slightly faster kill time than the BR as a trade-off for its difficulty of aiming.

    Kell:
    Another reason for using the H5 BR is it offers more power to the player respawning vs players with power weapons. In Halo CE power weapons are powerful (hence the name) but so was the starting weapon. Something me and Kell of Scots enjoy in weapon sandbox design is the idea that pickups will give you a deserved advantage in specific situations however the difference between the power of these pickups compared to the power of the starting weapon will never be so great that power weapons necessarily guarantee kills. We think that while power weapons should be important, the underdog with only the starting weapon to defend themselves should have some chance of winning duels against the player using pickups. In our settings we initially used increased health to balance automatics as we consider them too powerful despite their ease of use compared to precision weapons. This increased health also makes shotguns and rocket launchers slightly weaker for example. Combine that with the significantly increased speed and strafing capabilities of players and suddenly a Rocket Launcher vs a BR is no longer giving the expected result every time where previous Halos would.

    Slap:
    We have heavily tested using the Halo 5 Magnum, Halo 2 BR and Halo 5 BR as primary starting weapons. For the most competitive settings possible on great connection the Halo 5 Magnum is a great choice. We found the H2 BR with a slight decrease to the movement speeds we have set will offer a mode that feels closer to H2/H3 and is fun for the nostalgia factor. Overall the Halo 5 BR hits a sweet spot for us that balances the competitive, casual and nostalgic gameplay we want to achieve.


    Alex:
    So why did you make the Old School movement the way you did?

    Kell:
    So the changes to movement accomplish three things:

    They up the base movement speed to be on par with sprinting in Halo 5, allowing the gametype to maintain the speed sprint gives, but much more consistently and not separating moving at that speed from your ability to attack. This not only works maintain the perceived faster pace of Halo 5, but actually makes it play even faster as you never have any down time on moving as fast as possible.

    Slap:
    The overhaul to the strafing to allow for consistent, readily available dodging mechanic that is found inherently in a good strafe, and once again, it doesn't separate the dodge from your ability to attack. The increased move speed along strafe overhaul removes those situations found in halo 5 where you die because you didn't have a thrust, which many weapons and the grenades have been balanced around. In order to dodge that weapon, you need thrust. Don't have a thrust? Well you die. We wanted to get rid of that.

    Kell:
    The jump height change has a simple explanation. The base jump height has been reduced in Halo 5 to accommodate for clamber, so when we removed clamber, it needed to be increased.

    Slap:
    But what these changes succeed in achieving together is making for a more consistent move speed that you can truly get used to. With all the different movement speeds in Halo 5, many people find that there is no real sensitivity that allows you always ready be each engagement, and so you never really get used to Halo 5 aiming. These settings having such a consistent movement just brings more predictably to the game, and with it, providing a more competitive experience.

    Kell:
    We did however experiment with keeping ground pound and stabilise, as we don't feel this abilities are inherently broken. If Ground Pound had a smaller cone from where you could aim to land, we might have kept it. But as it is, you can use it to travel distances that, for map flow, we felt were detrimental. As for stabilise, it was just an inconsistency. When you see a player drop, you expect them to land at a certain time, you know It's predictable. We felt stabilise hurt that. It also hands more power over to the map creators, as it can open up some unintended sightlines. In the end we decided that, in their current form, Ground Pound and Stabilise hurt flow enough to be left out of the settings. We kind of see ground pound as the vertical assassination, and we would be open to it in a more classic Halo experience if it didn't affect your melee in mid air, delaying it like it seems to do in base Halo 5, and your cone in which to aim ground pound was reduced.


    Alex:
    What's up with 4 grenades?

    Kell:
    In Old School settings you will start with 2 Frag Grenades but you may hold up to 4 of each grenade type. We enjoy how Halo CE makes use of grenades to punish camping and reward offensive play. For this reason we wanted grenades to promote movement in two ways. Firstly, through empowering attackers with an effective way of flushing enemy players out of power positions and secondly, by encouraging players to collect grenades that can be placed more frequently around the map. In general, more pickups means more movement however because matchmaking standard grenades can be incredibly deadly in Arena, they tend to be placed more sparingly. We wanted to use grenades as a light pickup that keeps players moving and be able to place more on the map. This is akin to how health pickups are used in traditional arena shooters to assist map flow.

    Slap:
    Grenades in Halo 5 show up hit markers to the player therefore we felt they became more powerful in assisting players zone in on campers. Because they offer more information to the player through hit markers we decided to weaken grenades for balancing purposes. Grenades in Old School settings have 110% damage (which is still slightly weaker than standard Halo 5 due to increased health) and 90% blast radius since we considered 100% blast radius to be more optimized for the thruster pack. This also means a single grenade requires a little more accuracy than usual to do serious damage.


    Alex:
    What can we expect from you in the future?

    Kell:
    You can expect us to continue to give fiery responses to those who say the that Halo needs to evolve, as that argument has a weaker foundation than a shed built on an erupting volcano.

    No one tired got tired of classic Halo, it was taken away from the community, we would like to give it back. Enjoy it!

    Slap:
    You can expect us be hosting old school lobbies, compiling a list of maps on our bookmarks that suit the settings including remakes and but we are more excited about original designs that built around the settings, or support them already.


    You can download these gametypes and try them out yourself here.
     
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Discussion in 'Features' started by AlexVan123, Jul 26, 2016.

    1. Doju
      Doju
      Its called giving feedback.
    2. Preacher001
      Preacher001
      LOL. No honestly, that time I laughed out loud and not just SALTS
    3. Doju
      Doju
      Ok?

      Either way, people have different opinions. And so feel they can be improved. Not a case of "We knew noone would be satisfied"
    4. Preacher001
      Preacher001
      No, we did know no-one would be satisfied. This is a fact. No-one has been satisfied since Halo 1. There have been complaints for every version of Halo. It was a guarantee. That doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it.

      I'm curious how many people will realize what a nightmare Bungie and 343 has gone through trying to satisfy the masses.
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    5. Doju
      Doju
      Why create settings if you know nobody will be satisfied? :p
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    6. Preacher001
      Preacher001
      Masochism?
    7. MrGreenWithAGun
      MrGreenWithAGun
      What kind of question is that? At least someone is trying rather than complaining. Now they put themselves in the developers' chair and those who complain in the waypoint kiddies' chair.

      Keep the perspective.
    8. Doju
      Doju
      It's a joke about a clear typo he made (no one instead of everyone......"we know everyone won't be satisfied").
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    9. HeX Reapers
      HeX Reapers
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      Bump.

      If this does happen, does this call into question whether or not the Classic BR will be the starting primary? I honestly think it bridges the nostalgia and balance factor perfectly (Not to mention as I've said before, the zoom on both weapons is still 2x reguardless).
    10. MartianMallCop
      MartianMallCop
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      It will probably be looked into
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    11. The Ancient One
      The Ancient One
      I've been searching for a classic Halo community and although I haven't played these settings get I lived what the older halo games offered. And I hate H5. Hopefully I will be able to get i to some games with people who want to play this! hit me up anytime Kell and Slap
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    12. HeX Reapers
      HeX Reapers
      A question for Kell or Slaphead, has there been and organized lobby system established for this yet? Ever since the topic came to be it seems this whole thing has gone dark...
      Last edited: Nov 4, 2016
    13. MartianMallCop
      MartianMallCop
      From my experience with Kell and Slaphead, Lobbies for playing Old School have been mostly impromptu just whenever people have the time. It would be amazing if someone could set up a regular old school testing lobby
    14. HeX Reapers
      HeX Reapers
      I could try if I'm given the right maps and gametypes to use.
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    15. The Ancient One
      The Ancient One
      Would love to be getting in those lobbies if they do happen
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      Or any lobbies for theay better matter
    16. SgtSlaphead
      SgtSlaphead
      We do play Old School just not through consistent lobbies like I first planned to as I don't get on xbox regularly enough to reliably host games at the moment.
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    17. HeX Reapers
      HeX Reapers
      Is there some sort of "normals" list I could be added to so I can be notified when a lobby starts up? If I remember correctly GP did something like that back in Reach.
    18. The Ancient One
      The Ancient One
      I heard there is a classic playlist coming to mm very soon. Any word. Will it be these settings?
    19. HeX Reapers
      HeX Reapers
      Most likely not, 343 will probably take the lazy way out and make an unbalanced mess combined with the unavoidable flaws of Halo 5's MP design.
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    20. HeX Reapers
      HeX Reapers
      Bump. I don't want this to die tbh, custom severs with these settings are amazing!

      Any updates? Crazy King support perhaps? Iv'e been fiddling around with some things and Classic BR + Gunfighter starts work really well apparently, might be something you guys can test further?

      Also, any way we can get a maps list? I've been playing on the "Evolved" disc maps and a few remakes and all around these settings are a blast to play. In addition I've been playing some original maps like Backlash and Mystic, which have been well received as well.
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