Corrupt CC's at it again!

Seriously though, I think you guys did the right thing. Kudos.

Very appropriate response! Cheers!

lol whens doubles coming out. Literally all I care about

I mean is doubles even important guy? Like has it even been in other halos?

nope, I can't remember doubles being a staple in any other Halo game. Not Halo 2, Not 3, Not Reach.

you must work for 343

They're waiting for Halo 5 to only have 4 people left playing it before putting in doubles.

well shouldn't be long till that happens

Actually they're waiting for 4 players to get on

I'm glad that you can be honest with the community.

Well, I think everyone did a good job here. I feel bad that I had to go and **** with fro's map. Xandrith too even though he won't admit it.

If and when there are more contests in the future, I think it's important to clarify precisely what the judge's criteria are for what they view as a finalist. That way everyone knows what they are getting into and what kind of map they should make\submit. Is it going to be in matchmaking? Does it need to reflect the expected competitive Halo experience? Is balance more important than creativity, etc? This type of information is very important, as there are many people that may have submitted a map which had no chance of winning without realizing it.

Point is, '2v2 Map Contest' is a very broad idea, whereas 'Competitive 2v2 for Matchmaking' is more clear. Small details can have a big impact on what someone intends to submit. For myself and others, the deadline was upon us before we realized that we entered the wrong map, philosophically speaking.

@Anemeros I think the criteria was fair. Like what would be the difference between a map submitted for a "2v2 Contest" and a map for a "Competitive 2v2 for Matchmaking Contest?" I'd bet the winners would be the same.

@cluckinho I feel the same way. Nobody plays "casual" 2v2, if the maps are for a tourney it should be a given that the maps will be for competitive 2v2.

Its mostly the fact that we didn't know that the maps would be put into matchmaking that threw a few of us off, as some people would have tried harder to finish their maps by the deadline or just put more effort in general.

It's a huge difference, because a competitive map needs to be designed and balanced with a lot of considerations made for FPS, lanes, elevation, spawning and weapon distribution. Most casual maps made for a fun, 'custom game' type of experience would be dismissed immediately by competitive players.

Fun and creativity isn't the only deciding factor in a contest to see who can make a good map for Halo matchmaking.

Info about competitions is always on the front page of the site. Check the homepage/announcements every once in a while and you'll be good to go!

They did say on the front page of the 2v2 throw down thread that these maps were to be used for a tournament after the winners were chosen.

It was never stated that these were going to be MM maps because they truly had no idea.

A "casual" map with broken spawns, awkward pathing, unbalanced weapons, or frame-rate/lighting issues still isn't fun no matter if you are a casual or a pro.

Consider any map you create to be played with MM settings if you are submitting for a contest, it's strange that would need to be explained.

Did you assume this was a 2v2 walk around the map and look at my cool aesthetics contest?

I played 2v2 on my map probably 75 times before the submission deadline. People I know and don't know also played it many times without me being present. That feedback is the reason I felt comfortable submitting it.

People here seem offended by my map's existence and it's really confusing. Forge is supposed to be about expressing creativity and communing with others that share that passion, but several people on here have been very passive-aggressive and seem to enjoy putting my map down. No, it's not a traditional map. It's not a competitive map. It is just a simple, fun map and was a fun challenge to make. Wasn't meant to be anything other than that. But when I found out they were going to be in matchmaking I was a little disappointed, because I've made competitive maps before and I would have like to make one for this contest.

Anyway, point is that you may have an idea of what a map in a contest is supposed to be, but it really truly does depend on certain details. Didn't expect my map to win anything, but literally thousands of people have told me they like it, which is what it's all about isn't it?

A lot of forgers make maps to push themselves as a designer or artist, and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is when those people hold their motives above others instead of just realizing that we all forge for different purposes, and no one is objectively the best.

People have been doing this as long as forge has been around, don't take it personally

@clarification debate:

I think the "more details" side holds better promise when dealing with contests, especially those with money involved.

I'm not saying you have to go out and write a D&D style campaign that lays out every facet of every possibility, but that would be the best case scenario.

Maybe have a generalized rubric posted as an attachment that illustrates examples of the infractions that lower the judges score (personal tastes notwithstanding as those should be kept private (or as private as knowing France is always a **** giving out medals)).

Create/utilize an alternate account(s) system that can prevent known workarounds to any rules; this would effectively eliminate any altering past date amongst other sneaky beavering.

Most importantly, let everyone know what you can't let everyone know. Give as much detail as you can about being vague, and state when you MUST withhold information about a given topic and WHY. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm an information *****. So long as I know as much as there is to know about something I'm passionate about, I could care less if I do well at it or not; I can rest easy knowing I had all the parts to the puzzle at my disposal, leaving my passion to grow even more before my next crack at it.

TL;DR
I personally appreciate everyone's concern throughout this contest.
If it made you upset, angry, sad, then kudos, for these are all symptoms of caring. You all cared about what happened to each other, stirring to speak out and tell everyone "I got chyo back mahfks!" And I meant everyone, staff and forgers alike.