So Multi thinks Chill Out is the best map in CE and Goat thinks it's trash, but subjectivity has no place in determining whether or not a map is good. Mmmmmkay. Spoiler Sorry, I live for the
Xandrith will just say I have shitty opinions and Multi will win by default. I think Halo in general has very few good maps. Most of them are in BTB.
You and Multi are literally the only people in the Forge community who detest anything that isn't 100% original. I'm sorry I don't agree with that.
Here we go with the "you're the same person" ****. I thought you were smarter than that. I haven't even come close to expressing my opinion on the subject. Do you want me to, or do you just want to keep assuming? You know what they say about assumptions.
I wasn't implying that at all. You haven't expressed your opinion on it during this discussion, but I'm familiar with your dislike for donuts, any kind of symmetric map and maps that are otherwise "generic" for X amount of reasons. Within the context of your last post, I don't think it's unfair to assume that you share Multi's opinion on the subject, nor do I think anything is wrong with that. I agree on many things - just not this one.
I don't detest things that aren't original. I just think people should try to be more original and we should value those maps. That's literally my end all opinion. --- Double Post Merged, Jul 5, 2017 --- Yup It's also by far my worst map. I'm awful at playing room based maps. But it's by far the least stagnant map in CE. Way more emerging strategies than Damnation or Prisoner. I think dammy is the coolest map. Pris is awesome for the spawns.
You said yourself that after being in a party with Multi and I a few times that you realize that almost everything we say and type is in jest. Even if you weren't aware of that, it was still an extremely generalized and unfair assumption. I prefer not to design "donuts" or unoriginal designs because I've played maps like that a thousand times before. It's the same set of encounters with a fresh coat of paint. Do I detest playing donuts, or any map that doesn't push boundaries? No, and I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest that I know my own opinions better than you do.
@MultiLockOn I don't think "more strategies" is enough to make it the best map, but I can see why you would consider that a positive thing. The map's problems outweigh that to me though, and don't even get me started on Prisoner. Damnation is the only good map in Halo CE. And this was your quote yesterday: Perhaps "detest" is the wrong word. But as I said earlier, I value execution more than originality, and I don't agree with the immediate dismissal of things that are not arbitrarily defined as "interesting." If that's a bad opinion, then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'd prefer not to be a haughty unless a more scathing eye is necessary. I was referring to the snippy posts, not comments made during more elaborate discussions. There's no point in writing 5 paragraphs if you aren't being sincere. I don't disagree or take any issue with that. You have on multiple occasions dismissed maps for being "boring", often on account of them falling into the "unoriginal" category and whatever that entails. If that isn't your actual opinion, and if you weren't referring to my "novel" in which I explicitly stated that I value execution more than originality, then we have nothing more to discuss on this subject.
Again, you've admitted to me that you now realize that almost everything Christian and I say is a joke. None of my posts have been snippy, and if you're too stubborn to come to realize that on you're own, maybe I'll just have to add a special disclaimer for you in my signature or something. I agree with everything in that novel completely, except for the part about originality. I only have a problem with the "detest anything that isn't 100% original" statement, because it's just a misrepresentation of my opinion. In any case, you declared like 5 or 6 different things in that post, and many more in your other posts, that I agree with. The subject of my original post was about how we actually agree on a lot of things, and you pointed out the one thing that you didn't think we agreed on. You're arguing to argue.
That's fair. I could have worded that better but it was snarky in response to your dismissal of the post. The only reason I typed all that **** was to make that point. Unless there was something else you thought constituted a bad opinion. It frankly doesn't really matter though. All this talk amounts to nothing considering that this game isn't worth designing anything for.
Yeah, designing for the way Halo 5 is intended to play is awful, which is why you have to design a completely new experience. See: Arcanum. I really only enjoy playing maps like that or maps like Storm Peaks (to a lesser extent) and Legion, because the designs are influential enough on player decisions that a lot of Halo 5's bullshit mechanics are nullified.
i have yet to play a map in this game that didn't make me feel like i was playing spacey shooter 5. this game is inherently boring and i'm not sure why i use the "play a map in halo" excuse to keep using a gimped design tool.
Okay. In the context of forge maps, I don't care about playing generic designs. Most importantly, I don't believe in REWARDING and PROMOTING those designs over creative ones. I should've said there's no value in designers that take the safe route, not maps. Especially for forgers who have the skill to push boundaries, choose not to, and then dog on maps that do. Dammy is badass but the fact that you need camo to do anything isn't okay. You shouldn't have to turn invisible to make a map work. Prisoner is very close to cbillout for me but chilly has some very very varying strategies.