@ryan LFC 92 Im sorry but even after all this, you are still fully dismissing all that has been said. The point is not who is good and who is bad. As someone who has helped test hundreds and i mean HUNDREDS of maps I have seen your reaction plenty of times in the past. You can't hide behind things like, "I don't like this person" and "My map will never be perfect" to disregard feedback. Spicy's main points are all rather valid and they're not about making the perfect map. It's just about improvement. Being perfect was never mentioned by anyone except you. Granted, there are very critical people on this site but it is a creative environment where we promote openness and honesty. I have already acknowledged his harshness. That is done and listed. What I am telling you as a fellow forger is that if you cannot learn to interpret feedback of any caliber you are going to struggle to improve and develop. I need you to be willing to accept/dissect negativity because it is some of the most valuable developmental material you'll receive and that applies to things outside of just forge.
Oh i definitely dissected it. To people on the outside Im sure it all seem pretty valid but for me I dont agree with some of it and some spots are most certaintly invalid and even stupid. But the problem is I have no trust in this guy and the good stuff he might have said, I cant take seriously. I once had a guy on xbox giving me crap on survive the underground. He was so toxic he told me to delete the map. Later he came to this site and reviewed the map. He had some valid criticisms and tried to sound professional but he really only came to crap on the map. And that is the type of people I have a problem with.
Let me break it down for you (and your alt acc) It doesn't matter if you don't like the dude what matters is whether the points are valid. And you can continue to say that "it's not muh concern right now, I'll wait later on when forge improves" I honestly can't stop you if all you care about is doing behind the scenes action with scripting, however you can't deflect criticism with attacks on a persons personality. Stomach the criticism, and move along, I honestly can't believe you've dragged out this argument this long.
I am not an alt account. If I was, the mod in this thread would have seen the IP addresses were the same and banned me. Don't assume. I'm just calling it as I see it. The point a lot of people are making is that "You have to take criticism of any form and take it in your stride and be humble about it". Likewise, people who give criticism and want criticism to be taken on board for overall improvement need to learn that the WAY they give criticism greatly affects how it is received. If you want somebody to listen to you, don't inflame, nit pick on things that aren't relevant, and diss a forgers overall forge style all because you personally don't like the gametype in general. If your tone is degrading, nobody will listen to you. If you give criticism in a condescending way (as was done in this thread) then you don't REALLY care about the creators creative improvement and it becomes apparent that you are jealous and just want to poop all over the map to make yourself feel better. If he really cared, his words would have been put in a more supportive tone. It goes both ways. The inconsistencies in this thread are laughable.
i thought you were one of the decent ones on this site. I was never gonna roll over and take the crap even though in hindsight it would have been easier. Im also glad its happened as some things had to be said about some ppl in this forging community. Its only gonna drag on as long as you guys want it to. this is my map post, Once people are done replying to me I will move on for good.
Idk, you joined a mere 13 days ago, and your first postings was in this thread. As for criticism, Spicy (as said by others) was harsh, but yes you should take it humbly, as it was good points to begin with. He wasn't insulting on a personal level/calling names so his criticism is still valid and shouldn't be ignored. Also he wasn't inflaming or "dissing" due to him not liking the gametype so idk where this is coming from.
Pay special attention to the first sentence and last sentence. His personal bias and overall saltiness is just oozing out of him. 1. He assumes nobody likes the survive series (...full lobbies in customs browser every other hour loooool) 2. Explicitly says Ryan "a lot of the time" doesn't make any good maps. Flagrant insult and not constructive. 3. Clearly hates the fact that people play Ryans maps and never gives spicy's "good maps" a chance. If nobody plays spicy's maps or gives them a chance... maybe they're not as good as he thinks? Just a thought. lol. And that's just from one paragraph of his essay. I could dissect the whole thing but would take too long and I have to finish this economics homework.
What does his post have to do with decency? His views on this subject somehow makes him less "decent" to you? That truly shows to us how you see the situation here. Sure, he doesn't have to take any form of criticism into consideration but ask around this site er, the forge community er, any sort of map creators and its nearly unanimous when they all tell you what they think about constructive criticism. Can we just lock this thread (or merge it with the WAYWO thread) already? This is unfortunately getting nowhere at all.
I never even talked to you before wat. "crap" It's legitimate criticism so this is just ridiculous. And I love how you turn this whole situation of everyone telling you to basically accept the criticism into some kind of public outing of the "evil" people inside the forge community.
yet you reply to me. The more this goes on the more this feels the whole sites in on it and spicey must have you all in his back pocket. Its sad.
"It's sad" Are you for real right now? For the love of all that is holy, will you just accept the fact that spicy, even if he did act like an ass, has valid criticism of your map.
there were definitly some stuff in there that were valid but its hard to know whats serious. And like ive already said, my maps ARE flawed. Anyone could critique it and be right.
So since this is no longer a discussion about the map, and since Ascends words of wisdom went unheeded, I'm going to lock the comments of this map and leave you with a splendid link in which to continue this debate on reviews. https://www.forgehub.com/threads/map-reviews-how-and-why-you-should-write-them.154618/#post-1667361
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