MLG Holy Ground

Legacy of Wars · Aug 22, 2008

Never knew u could ever criticize that much but great map look forward to play games on it wit some friends.

NaStY said: ↑

Suggestions for V2:

1. You spend a LOT of resources putting walls and shield doors in the corners, and then having teleporters behind them and death rooms.

Either
-Remove death rooms and put all teleporters on one channel, put one receiver outside level to create insta-death.
-or-
-Remove the walls in the corners. There was never much bouncing of grenades in to those areas anywhere.

Also, your solution for the "crack" at the back of each base is pretty resource heavy. If you want to really make the map great:
-Take the extra time to remove the makeshift walls back there and merge the doubleboxes with the geometry, along with (*grimace*) the ramps on either side.
-Move the front ramp which met those doubleboxes back as well.
-Move the two doubles that are perpendicular to the wall back even more
-Turn the dumpsters at the foot of the front ramp so that the long edge is along the ramp, rather than the boxes

This will really open this area up and make it feel more spacious, because right now those doubleboxes come so close to ring that the area between them feels more like a corridor than a courtyard.

2.

You have a lot of dumpsters at the foot of ramps. Don't sweat it, they take up space and close up lines of sight - they're not worth the trouble just to keep a few nades from going under ramps. Especially the dumpster on rocks side of the base. Traditionally you have to jump from the "rocks" (I think it's a crate in our case) to get up to that BR spawn, but with that dumpster you can sort of just appear in somebody's face. The ramp right next to it is really easy to get killed on, so if you have that easy dumpster jump right there, people will never touch that ramp.

3.

Right now you have stairs leading to the sniper area. They make it claustrophobic, and nobody ever actually walked up those little ramps in the original sanctuary. Go ahead and make that one a vertical dumpster that you can jump on, it won't change map flow and it will bring back the feel of that area more.

4.

The two corners that create a "ceiling" over ring are unnecessary. In the original you could see straight down, so save yourself some wall corners and keep that line of sight open. Ring 3 is a very treacherous position that's difficult to get to and easy to be seen in - don't make it suck more

5.

Over by Carbine you have two merged walls and a window panel - why?? This edge is totally open in the original sanctuary. If you're worried about lines of sight (since the map IS smaller and w/o anything there might be a rather direct view of the enemy's rocks spawn) then use the walls to make a small little railing or something (aka merge them almost all the way down with the box but not quite). This should do the trick.

6.

Biggest problem for map flow: you can jump straight from the base to the original PP walkway. This totally changes the map dynamic. Suggestion? Take your newly freed up fencewalls from the death room and have 1 or 2 fencewalls extending from ring out to meet the barriers on this walkway. This way you'll still be able to shoot at people in this area, but it will be much harder to jump up there from the base. You might even consider raising them in to the air a bit so that if someone was standing there their feet would be totally open. This would allow you to grenade this walkway (which you tended to do a lot in the original) from the base area.

Don't think I dislike the map - it's just that I see this as a very workable re-make that could become an insanely good map. So I put a lot of time in to reviewing it and finding specific ways to improve it. Hopefully these changes will conserve a lot of resources, open up and polish the map, improve gameplay, and perhaps even keep you from needing to be budget glitched.

Cheers
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