Okay, the quarantine was effective. Avast didn't even find the trojans so the quarantine must be pretty strong. But I will NEVER get Norton again. It's slow as hell and we still got a shitload of viruses and malware. This was before I discovered Limewire, let alone torrenting. So my trojans devolved into generic pup files in quarantine. I got a friend to look at the details for them and he told me one of them takes a lot of work and time to program. It was specifically designed to get my email, passwords, any security info and data and then **** off. The other was probably designed to try and disable my McAfee and 'open the floodgates'.