Halo MCC and Halo 5 XBox One X updates coming

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  1. Preacher001

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    If you hadn't heard about this I thought I would link the article. Nice to hear hear the collection is going to be getting some love.

    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-x-patches-for-halo-mcc-and-halo-wars-2-co/1100-6454156/

    Today during a livestream event, Microsoft made some big announcements about the Halo franchise, including new Xbox One X patches and ongoing support for Halo 5. We already knew that Halo 5 will receive an Xbox One X update, and today developer 343 confirmed that Halo Wars 2 is also getting patched to unlock "visual upgrades" on the new console. Halo: The Master Chief Collection is also getting an Xbox One X update, while players can also expect updates that include bug fixes and improvements.

    Overall, 343 wants to "bring [Halo: MCC] forward and modernize many of the game's systems to take advantage of Xbox platform advancements since its original launch." The game had its share of serious struggles at launch, so it's nice to see support continue in this way, years after release.

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    As part of this, 343 is launching a "flighting" program for The Master Chief Collection whereby players can test new patches. This is scheduled to begin in Spring 2018. More details on the specifics will be announced later.

    The other big news about Halo Wars 2 is that it's adding support for the Xbox Arena system. This feature, which debuted in May, allows players to create their own tournaments. Additionally, 343 is adding cross-play support between the Xbox One and PC versions of Halo Wars 2. All of these new features are scheduled to launch in "late October."

    As for Halo 5, 343 announced an "Overtime" program for the game. This includes a number of new features, content, and support, starting with an Xbox One X update for the game that "takes advantage of the extra power of Xbox One X to deliver higher visual fidelity for players who have compatible hardware."

    In terms of new content, 343 is rolling out the Oddball gametype, featuring new medals and voice cover. Additionally, there will be a big November update for Halo 5 that introduces a series of weapon balance changes. What's more, 343 is launching a new app for Windows 10 that lets players host a local server on the same network as their Xbox One that should ideally allow for a low-latency experience.

    In other news, 343 has confirmed that the Halo World Championship event is returning in 2018, and as part of this the developer is launching team skins. There will also be skins based on some of the major countries and regions in the tournament, including the United States, Canada, and Mexico.
     
  2. ExTerrestr1al

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    What do you think that Windows 10 Server App is used for? I don't quite get it from the description. Is it for people to play LAN? Is it replacing servers hosted by 343i?

    Given that it is run from the PC, does that mean it could possibly assist in cross-platform play? Damn, that would be really awesome. Maybe the yare preparing and testing for that so it can be a possibility in Halo 6?
     
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  3. Xandrith

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    You heard right. You have to have internet access to LAN.

    This company is depressing.
     
  4. purely fat

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    But, MCC will still lag. Everyone move to El Dewrito
     
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  5. ExTerrestr1al

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    while that sounds dumb, and is dumb, it's tied to their cloud storage of the maps... they'd have to lock it down to just stock maps for LAN if they didn't require internet... sucks, but I'd bet that's why.
     
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    I'm glad to see LAN back even if in a parental guidance form. I agree with @ExTerrestr1al that there there are probably reasons for having LAN set up as an always on service, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of stats system that they were looking to implement, as well as leaving in the option for LAN vs LAN. I'm not saying it's a good idea, I'm just happy to see some movement.

    News that MCC hasn't been forgotten is quite the treat. I still pop in there regularly because it's pretty much my Halo comfort food. No matter what happens to the rest of the franchise I know I can always go back there for some real Halo. I would love for the MCC's upgrades to include expanding the catalog of games that are covered in it. I would happily have it as a HUB for all things Halo. I would be more than willing to pay a moderate fee to include titles that were not already included. I still want a Halo 3 remaster regardless of what 343 thinks is worthwhile. I would like to see that remaster as a MCC DLC and I would like to see further add ons for MCC.

    Actually better yet bring MCC back up to a premium price and add Halo 3 Anniversary and future DLC free to all who own it. Microsoft could do a thing where after a certain amount of time (maybe 2 years) the latest Halo titles would be added to the collection. There's no reason you couldn't have 50 million Halo MCC owners. Look at any premium title that has had continuous and worthwhile free content years past it's release. This format is unlikely to reduce future purchases while growing it's community. Larger communities mean larger launch month purchase pools. I've known many people who had never played Halo or had much interest in it that bought the MCC purely on volume of content and fell in love with it. Imagine if that pot just kept filling.
     
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  7. Sikamikanico

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    Originally posted by Frankie:
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    As you saw on the livestream earlier on this week, it was a big relief to be able to share the news that we’re fixing and indeed updating MCC. I was traveling this week and out of the office while the livestream was happening, but if you remember, a couple of years ago I promised to explain what the underlying issues with MCC were. Well here it is, sort of. I’m obviously not an engineer, so apologies to the deeply technical for keeping this at a level I understand.

    I’d also like to be clear, up front about what’s not contained here – there’s no excuses. We’re explaining some of the issues in more depth than we have before, in part because we now have the resources, OS and capability to make meaningful changes. So please don’t mistake explanations for excuses – we’re trying to be as transparent as possible, but there are loads of proprietary things we can’t talk about at a granular level.
    We will, however, have kind of a second half of this post when the update is released, where we can go through the causes of items that were fixed by the new update, rather than jinx them right now.

    There’s also no guarantees in here, beyond my guarantee that we care about this very much and are throwing our best people and best efforts into this project.

    On Wednesday of this week, we announced that we’re both fixing MCC and working on enhancements for the Scorpio (Xbox One X) version of the game, but I should be clear here, that in terms of chicken/egg scenarios, fixing the existing “vanilla” Xbox One MCC was the Chicken that laid the Xbox One X enhanced version egg. Without the ability and opportunity to reconfigure and fix this thing, we wouldn’t touch an Xbox One update. But a series of changes to the Xbox architecture, some of them related to Xbox One X – and others just a series of ongoing improvements to the OS and back end networking systems, have cracked open an opportunity we’ve wanted to seize for many, many months now. So to be super clear, these fixes will apply to both regular Xbox One version and the Xbox One X enhancements.

    We’re also getting a lot of help from the (wholly separate) Halo 5 team, who created a much more robust system for the launch of that game and continue to make improvements to their networking model.

    From a personal perspective, the MCC launch was one of my lowest ebbs, professionally. Every angry mail I received, I took to heart. I felt like I had personally let our fans down. I have not spent a single day since the night the game fell down in matchmaking where I didn’t think about it. The hardest messages to deal with were the ones driven by disbelief. “How could you not know that matchmaking was going to break?” – fundamentally it was because we were testing it in an environment that we had set up incorrectly and with some (as we discovered later) faulty assumptions. And unlike some of our other normal testing cycles, we weren’t testing for gameplay balance and stuff that the original releases already contained so our test process was radically different, and we made mistakes in some of the scenarios we asked for.


    We had, with the best intentions, created a massive and ambitious project that almost read like a Halo fan’s wishlist. As a player, I was incredibly excited. And as an employee, I was proud of the work and effort the team had poured into making this thing so big.


    It initially started as a conversation about making a Halo Anniversary 2 – we thought about simply replicating what we’d done with the first Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary, a polished update with some cool new graphics and features. But we kept talking about it – and the conversation inevitably led to the “problem” of a franchise existing over multiple generations of hardware. This was built for Xbox One – and prior games were spread across 360 and OG Xbox. So we figured, why not finally put the whole Chief saga on one console? We wanted everyone to be able to enjoy his entire story.

    And so the project ballooned in scope and scale and ambition. We threw a ton of resources behind it internally and worked with some trusted partners.
    In our matchmaking testing we were seeing results that ultimately weren’t reflective of the real retail environment, and our test sessions never got to the kind of scale where we’d see some of the looping issues I’ll describe below. So we genuinely didn’t know until the day it released, how bad the matchmaking in particular was going to get. I’m not going to ignore the other bugs, they were real, and important, but the way the UI and matchmaking protocols interacted with each other exacerbated many of the smaller items and amplified a couple of them in unpredictable ways.
    The short version was that for Xbox One we built some of the underlying systems to work on a brand-new platform, which was fundamentally, quite different to both the original consoles the games were designed for. We also had some very new (and frankly these have evolved since then and are now much better) online systems on a new console and made some educated, but (with hindsight) ultimately faulty, assumptions we made during development and testing. To be clear here, the platform networking model was working as intended, but we made errors and ultimately approached it with the wrong strategy.
    Frankly, we don’t assume anything anymore. While we had some valid reasons to believe the game would function properly in the retail environment, we’ve shifted our development philosophy to basically assume nothing anymore. And one way we’re going to avoid that in future is through a retail flighting program – testing the game fixes in a real-world environment with real players, including many of you. Naturally we’ll also be doing much more rigid conventional testing with the benefit of both hindsight and new, better systems.

    One of the main matchmaking issues was related to the way that the games gathered players – each title had some differences in how it sought out players, then connected them into sessions. In an attempt to unify that method, we actually introduced a bunch of (with the benefit of hindsight) several avoidable problems and some unavoidable ones. It gets really technical, and this is as much metaphor as technical explanation, but each potential player was assigned a kind of “ticket” which would then grant them entry into a match or session – picture a virtual waiting room at a train station – when the train arrives (a match) – everyone has to board - or the train can’t leave. Issues arose when folks left sessions before games had started that would cause the initial ticket distributions to fail, and that sometimes meant very long wait times for matches as tickets were issued and reissued – especially in countries with lower populations.

    Now the above isn’t particularly unusual or original in terms of approach, but at the time the systems were less resilient in terms of churn, and bad information could cause a lobby or match to get caught in a state where it couldn’t ultimately complete a group and join them cleanly into a session.

    At the time we made tons of changes to the backend server configurations to try and reduce those wait times, but ultimately it was a self-fulfilling prophecy – players understandably would leave sessions because they got tired of waiting for a match to begin, and that would amplify the issue across the board.
    But there were other issues that compounded the noise and frustration players felt. For example, there’s a good-sized subset of our population that has issues with Teredo, IPSEC and NAT compatibility that we simply can’t troubleshoot or identify, and some of those users are encountering issues that are literally beyond our control – trapped behind corporate or academic firewalls. These feed into some of the areas we’re planning to improve, and ongoing improvements to the Xbox systems have improved some of those issues, but not all.


    We’ve loosely explained this over the last couple of years, but I’d like to reiterate here. We ended up in a situation where the game was working for the vast majority of users. That’s not the same as perfect, or for some, even acceptable and that’s not what I’m trying to claim. Many people who complain about the game these days have legitimate issues with matchmaking and other aspects, and we’re not going to dismiss those – so even though for most, the game is stable, and the sheer wealth of content and experiences makes it – to this day – a highly rated title by players - we get it. If you’re one of the people affected, seeing a statement from us that it’s working for “the vast majority of players” is cold comfort. When you’re the one affected, it’s as good as 100%.

    The fixes and patches we’d applied were pretty delicate and we ended up in a precarious situation where there was no way to make more fixes without potentially breaking something else or making things worse. We weren’t happy with that situation, but we were stuck between a rock and a hard place – most users were (by this time) able to play properly and find matches, and further tinkering might put that at risk. At that time we decided the right thing to do for the total player base was to stop. That was hard to do, especially knowing there were still some customers impacted more seriously than players who were merely inconvenienced.

    But that didn’t stop us being concerned about it anymore. On the contrary, in some ways leaving it was worse. I mention this not to garner sympathy, we deserve none, but to answer folks who’ve continued to ask, “Why don’t you guys care?”

    We do. Everyone here puts their heart and soul and sweat and tears into building our games. I can tell you without hesitation that I have never heard someone here dismiss or ignore or belittle complaints. We always take them to heart. It’s the internet of course, so sometimes folks take it too far, with threats or other inappropriate reactions, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t understand the anger or disappointment those came from.
    So over the months we discussed and investigated other fixes. The platform itself has made some truly evolutionary improvements to its underlying technology, and recent fundamental changes mean that we might have the opportunity to make some fixes without risking everything else.

    It may sound simplistic, but MCC was essentially six pretty different game engines strapped together and interlinked with highly complex and highly delicate new systems. With Xbox One X on the horizon, it was obvious that we could simultaneously update the game to take advantage of the new hardware for folks that have it and use that as an opportunity to finally rearchitect and update some of the foundational issues and networking/matchmaking methods.

    And to be clear, these solutions were simply not possible until quite recently. The platform team has made numerous improvements over the last year or so, and we’ve internally done a bunch of research, and so our timing has been reliant on a number of systems and solutions converging rather than one single element. But these weren’t easy fixes we were simply sitting on. That’s honestly not a thing, even. I also understand that silence can be frustrating. You have complaints or questions, and we try to answer them as best we can, but sometimes bad information is worse.

    As I said at the start of this explanation, it doesn’t answer all your questions. I’m going to follow up next year after we have better detail on the fixes and the Xbox One X update, to follow through with an even more detailed technical breakdown of what broke, why and how we fixed it. That’s what we owe you – that and a game we can both finally be satisfied with.
     

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