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    Late last year, we gave you a first look at the future of Halo multiplayer with the release of the Halo 5: Guardians Multiplayer Beta. This was a huge endeavor for everyone on theHalo 5: Guardians team and one that we approached with nervous excitement. After all, this was the earliest that we have ever released a beta for a Halo game, coming almost a year before release. Putting a work-in-progress game out in the wild this early was a leap of faith, and something new for our studio. How would fans react? What results would we find?

    In the past, betas for games on console have typically been used for online scale testing in the weeks prior to a game’s launch. In our case, we provided a true ‘working’ beta that was a snapshot of our game in development. Halo 5: Guardians represents one of the most substantial evolutions of core combat in franchise history. We felt it was crucial to get it in the hands of fans early to ensure we have enough development time to react to key learnings and deliver the best possible game when we release later this year. This represented a shift for us as a team and a studio by sharing the development process with our community and having you help shape the game.
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    The level of engagement and response from our community shattered all of our expectations. Over the course of the three week beta we saw nearly 20 million games played, accounting for 290 years of collective game time. Throughout the beta we monitored feedback channels including web forums, reddit, Twitter and Facebook. From these sources we tracked literally thousands of pieces of detailed feedback.

    To coincide with the beta, we also launched the Halo Community Feedback Program (HCFP) to directly engage with the most passionate and experienced members of our fan base. Over 19,000 of you have already signed up for the HCFP, with the average amount of Halo played per HCFP participant clocking in at over 900 hours (that’s more than 37 days of Halo playtime per participant!). So far, we have conducted two surveys and we plan to continue expanding this program as we see it as an important tool to help shape our game for launch and beyond.

    The team has spent the past few weeks poring over player feedback from the aforementioned sources. From this we have developed an extensive list of improvements for the game. What follows is a short summary of items that we are addressing for launch. Some of these improvements were already in development and didn’t make it in time for the beta. The majority of changes address issues that surfaced during the beta and relate to feedback coming directly from the community. It’s important to point out that there will be a massive list of additional improvements and bug fixes that are not captured here, as we hosted this beta almost a year from release.

    SPARTAN ABILITIES
    For Halo 5: Guardians we’ve developed a consistent suite of abilities that are available to all players on the battleground. These abilities give Spartans increased mobility in combat and open up new gameplay possibilities. Throughout the beta we saw fantastic response from fans as they put them through their paces. One of my favorite moments was watching legendary pro Halo player Dave “Walshy” Walsh as he streamed a game of Slayer. Walshy came up behind an unsuspecting enemy and just as he was about to strike for the assassination, his opponent jumped up, using his Thrusters to propel himself back over Dave’s head and take him out with an assassination of his own. The stunned look on Walshy’s face was priceless.

    In the ViDoc that introduced the new Spartan Abilities before the beta went live, I touched on the fact that a portion of the Halo community strongly prefers to play without sprint. The results from the HCFP surveys showed that nearly 11% of HCFP participants felt that Halo should not have sprint. It is important that we continue to evolve Halo multiplayer while ensuring that legacy Halo players feel right at home. As a result, I’m happy to say that we will provide toggles in custom games so that sprint and the other Spartan Abilities can be turned off. By putting these tools in the hands of players we will give them the ability to play the game their way, enabling them to create a more traditional style of Halo if they prefer.

    Some of the other improvements that we are making to Spartan Abilities and general mobility coming out of the beta:

    • Increase base speed (faster base movement)
    • Increase strafe acceleration (faster, more responsive strafing)
    • Reduce top sprint speed (narrow the delta between base movement and sprint)
    • Modify Ground Pound controls to prevent conflicts w/ crouch jumping
    • General tuning & bug fixes for all Spartan Abilities (Thrusters, Clamber, Ground Pound, etc.)
    WEAPONS
    At the core of any first-person shooter is gunplay. For Halo, the experience of aiming and firing weapons is king and we put a lot of effort into making sure that it feels great. We want the player to feel connected to each weapon, so that it feels like a natural extension of the player. We want the right amount of feedback to sell the sensation of firing the weapon. And of course we want all of the weapons to be balanced against one another so that each one is effective within its own encounter range without a single weapon becoming dominant.

    With the introduction of our new Smart-Link aiming system we’ve given all weapons the ability to zoom. This new system creates a more natural feel and reinforces the connection between Spartans and their weapons. The advantages of a zoomed weapon are balanced by the ability to de-scope and force your opponent out of zoom if you land your shots first. Our goal is to balance all weapons to be equally effective both in and out of zoom while continuing to respect the function of each mode.

    Our newest weapon, the Hydra, received a mixed response from fans. Hard to use at first, it took some time for players to realize how effective the Hydra is at curving shots around cover at range from within the new Smart-Link system. Once it clicked, people began mopping up, but many players still felt that the weapon didn’t have enough utility in general combat. We’ll be buffing the weapon to make it more effective out of zoom and ensure that it feels like a true power weapon.

    Some of the other improvements that we’ll be making to weapons in the game follow:
    • Sniper Rifle: improve scope experience to making it less “clunky” and faster to scope
    • DMR: adjust position of the scope to improve visibility
    • Bring back the SPNKr Rocket Launcher as a legendary version of the weapon
    • Reduce bonuses for automatic weapons in Smart-Link & w/ headshots
    • Remove grenade detonation in mid-air based on weapon fire
    • Ability to turn on/off vibration feedback for weapons
    • General tuning and bug fixing for all weapons
    PRESENTATION
    The arena multiplayer experience was designed with a competitive theme. We imagined this to be a place where Spartans would train against one another in preparation for upcoming battles. As such there would be a certain amount of comradery, gamesmanship and fanfare involved. We approached match presentation as though these showdowns might be broadcast within the UNSC to other enlisted military watching intently as the Spartans trained.

    Each match includes an intro and a victory sequence. These are meant to reinforce your identity within your team, to show important locations within each map prior to battle and to celebrate the winners of the match. Despite the fact that the intro and victory sequences in particular seemed to be universally loved by Halo bros, we weren’t 100 percent satisfied with the tone of these moments in the game. Expect the final sequences to feature considerably fewer chest bumps and high fives.

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    Other improvements we’ll be making to presentation based on fan feedback:

    • Post-death replay: this will become an opt-in feature. After death, players will see a traditional follow-cam and have the option to view a replay of their death from the killer’s perspective (as long as the feature is enabled within the playlist)
    • Medals: decrease frequency and number of medals displayed in the medal feed
    • Spartan chatter: players will have the option to turn this on or off in the settings menu
    • Adding highlights to placed/dropped weapons to make them easier to see
    • General tuning for announcer and Spartan chatter to reduce the frequency of events and focus on the information that matters most to players
    COMPETITIVE SKILL RATING (CSR)
    Halo 5: Guardians features a brand new seven-tier competitive skill rating system. We put an early version of this system through its paces in the beta and uncovered a number of bugs that are being addressed.

    Probably the most common question that we heard about CSR was regarding recognition of individual performance. The system is designed to reflect wins and losses at the team level. Individual performance is not taken into account when calculating bonuses/penalties to CSR; it’s all about team. The one exception is during the initial placement process when the system is solving on individual skill. The biggest complaint we heard was in the case of a losing team member that significantly outperformed the other members of their team. Many players felt that in this case the penalty for losing should be reduced.

    Philosophically we believe that in a team sport the only thing that should matter is wins and losses. We also believe that incentivizing players to prioritize their own individual stats in a team game can undermine team play. A player’s Kill/Death Ratio (the stat that tends to be focused on in these discussions) is not always a reliable indicator of impact on team success. A player may have inflated kills from finishing off enemies that their teammates have damaged, or may have pursued kills at the expense of positioning and map control. The simplest and best way to assess performance within a team sport, is the team’s success.

    Bonuses and penalties are based on the relative strength of the teams at play. Teams are assessed on their collective skill at the beginning of the match. You gain more by winning against a team that is considered to be stronger than your own. Likewise, losing to a more skilled team will result in a lesser penalty to your CSR. These gains and losses are further modified by a player’s individual CSR relative to the teams at play. So for example, a lower tier player gains more from a win than someone at a higher CSR tier. We will continue refining these bonuses & penalties to reflect the difficulty of each match.

    Our skill rating system is one of the pillars for competitive play of Halo 5: Guardians and we’ll be continuing to refine it throughout development. The focus for our team coming out of the beta includes:

    • Improved skill detection during placement phase
    • Improved skill matching
    • Improved team balancing
    • Prevent skill boosting
    • General bug fixing & tuning
    MATCHMAKING
    One of the challenges with matchmaking for a competitive Halo experience is the need to find matches of appropriate skill (due to the skill gap between players) and ensure that matches don’t start unbalanced. These priorities are weighed against matchmaking speed. If you loosen the skill requirements and allow games to start with less players (backfilling live with join-in-progress) it makes the process much faster, but it does so at the expense of fairness. We need to balance these factors carefully and for beta we weren’t satisfied with the balance that we achieved.
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    Coming out of beta we have a number of fixes and improvements already in flight for matchmaking but at a high level our focus is on the following:

    • Much faster matches
    • Better skill matching
    • Better feedback to players in the lobby and matchmaking experiences
    • Allow players to set desired datacenter for matchmaking (may impact matchmaking speed and skill balance)
    • Improved party vs party matchmaking
    • Hide CSR ranks until in match to de-incentivize quitting
    • Punish quitters with CSR penalties and matchmaking bans
    IN CONCLUSION...
    With the Halo 5: Guardians Multiplayer Beta being held so early in development, there is a laundry list of other bug fixes and improvements that we are tracking as a team. Far too many to document here. Everything from weapon placements on maps, to lighting improvements, to rule tweaks in game modes and modifications to the motion tracker to encourage more movement at higher levels of play. Our team constantly looks for ways to improve the game and we’ll continue to do so until launch later this year and beyond.

    Looking back, this beta has been an amazing gift for us. The feedback we have received from all of you has been invaluable in helping us to improve our game. On behalf of the entire Halo 5: Guardians team, we thank you for your support. We absolutely couldn’t do this without you. I hope you enjoyed your first glimpse into the future of Halo multiplayer and look forward to sharing more with you in the months ahead.

    - JOSH HOLMES, EXECUTIVE PRODUCER
     
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Discussion in 'Halo and Forge Discussion' started by WAR, Feb 5, 2015.

    1. WAR
      WAR
      "I’m happy to say that we will provide toggles in custom games so that sprint and the other Spartan Abilities can be turned off. By putting these tools in the hands of players we will give them the ability to play the game their way, enabling them to create a more traditional style of Halo if they prefer." - Josh

      Customizable settings is always a step in the right direction, hopefully we can tailor the game to be a masterful experience and one to remember. I don't know about you guys but this just made my day.
    2. SecretSchnitzel
      SecretSchnitzel
      Well, a good deal of the things I wanted done are being implemented, so I'm a happy panda.

      - Increase base speed (faster base movement)
      - Increase strafe acceleration (faster, more responsive strafing)
      - Reduce top sprint speed (narrow the delta between base movement and sprint)
      - Modify Ground Pound controls to prevent conflicts w/ crouch jumping
      - Remove grenade detonation in mid-air based on weapon fire
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    3. Korlash
      Korlash
      They are understanding A LITTLE BIT to say the least. This is absolutely great news. There are still a lot of obstacles to overcome though, such as sharing maps, the game actually working, the UI not sucking, spartans running like snails, and more.

      I'm hoping this can salvage my guilt of buying an xbox one. MCC isn't doing it.
    4. Buddy Jumps
      Buddy Jumps
      This
      • Hide CSR ranks until in match to de-incentivize quitting
      • Punish quitters with CSR penalties and matchmaking bans
      is important. Quitters finally get punished again.... A big middle finger to all the noobs that think they are good if they have a K/D of 5 upwards, but a win rate of less than 50%. lol
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    5. SecretSchnitzel
      SecretSchnitzel
      I'd really like to know the percentage value of Delta in regards to movement speed. Anything under 15% is solid, as at that value sprinting doesn't actually "rob" you of kills. If Delta is even lower, say 10% (which is what I wanted), then sprint really isn't an issue in the least.... But we know the people at BE will still claim it "breaks the game". :p
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    6. coIdFUSI0N
      coIdFUSI0N
      IIRC, Sprint is typically around 160% movement speed. A delta, between base movement speed and sprint speed, of less than 15% would be barely noticeable and fairly useless IMO. But what do I know? I'm just one of those people who think Sprint breaks the game. :)
    7. WAR
      WAR
      Now if only they could give me 'wall jumping'...
    8. SecretSchnitzel
      SecretSchnitzel
      And apparently horrible at math...
      Delta is the percentage difference of two different values for a given variable. If Sprint, as per your outlandish example, was 160% of base movement, then delta would be 60% (difference between 100% and 160%).

      Estimations put the beta's sprint speed to being around 125% of the base movement. I had suggested having a difference between base and sprint speed (or delta) of around 10% to 15%. If they nerfed sprint by 5% and buffed base by 5%, we'd have a delta of 15%, which actually works pretty damn well. If the change is even more drastic and has a delta value of say 10%, it'd be pretty damned awesome.

      Now let me put this into a more tangible example for you. Say we're playing on a map where going from red base to blue base at normal speed takes 20 seconds. With a delta of 25%, it takes 16 seconds (20 divided by 1.25). A full 4 seconds difference, that's pretty drastic! Now we cut delta down to 15% and get a time of 17.39 seconds, 2.41 seconds less than base movement. Still a bit significant, but not that much considering it's [less] only 2x the Optimal TTK with the BR. Drop delta down to 10% and we've got a time of 18.18 seconds, or a trim of 1.82 which is about the time it takes to fire 6 shots with the BR (probably average TTK too). Considering it's comparison to average TTK, it's really not that significant anymore.

      Now lets take your average 1v1 encounter and run through the same delta values, and assuming you WILL land a perfect 4SK. Without sprint involved and an Optimum TTK of 1.3 seconds, you have a window of opportunity of 1.3 seconds to kill the opposing player before he darts away. With a delta of 25%, you now have a window of 1.04 seconds, barely enough time to get 3 shots off so the opposing player has a considerable margin of safety to avoid death. With a delta of 15%, you now have a window of 1.13 seconds, plenty of time to get 3 shots off, but just shy of 4 shots, so the opposing player still has a considerable margin of safety to avoid death. With a delta of 10%, you now have a window of 1.18 seconds, leaving the opposing player only a 0.12 second margin of safety, which is not very considerable is it?

      Now margin of safety could also be considered margin of error, or rather, time granted to a player to recoup for a bad play or mistake. At delta 25%, this margin is 0.26 seconds (or 15.3% Opt TTK). At delta 15%, this margin becomes 0.17 seconds (or 13% Opt TTK). At delta 10%, this becomes 0.12 seconds (9.2% of Opt TTK).

      Here's where it gets fun though! Players don't challenge when a player is just barely exposed (barely being anywhere between 1.5 * Opt TTK distance away from cover). Players challenge when they know they know the opposing player is at a disadvantage and can't pop back into cover easily. The further away a player is from cover, the greater their margin of safety diminishes. I'd go so far as to say that the further away a player is from safety, their margin of safety diminishes at an accelerated rate (although I can't be bothered to get that deep into statistics now).

      Delta is a pretty significant variable here, and as you can see from my very simple calculations, once it breaks the 15% threshold, Sprint is no longer a major issue as far as players escaping "deserved kills", which by the way, is the only legitimate criticism against sprint. All you 'no sprint' fanatics can sit down now.
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    9. coIdFUSI0N
      coIdFUSI0N
      Delta values were never converted into percentages when I learned and used them. It just means "the change in". 160% sprint speed is not an estimation. It is a measurement from Halo Reach ( in the description). I'm not sure what the exact speeds are in the Guardians Beta so I choose to use that as my baseline. I'm skeptical of sprint speed being as low as you claim, 125%. I wonder if anyone performed any controlled tests.

      Does all that math say anything besides "it's easier to kill someone trying to escape when the difference between base movement speed and sprint speed is less", because you didn't really prove anything besides that and that seems like common sense?

      As for you claiming that sprint's only legitimate issue is players escaping, you can't think of any other ways that sprint is detrimental to Halo? How is stretching maps and then forcing players to alternate between movement mode and attack mode good for Halo, a game founded on the concept of the Golden Triangle?
    10. purely fat
      purely fat
      The game isn't halo anymore. That is how sprint is justifiable.;)
    11. SecretSchnitzel
      SecretSchnitzel
      Delta is simply the percentage value of change in a variable. Granted, I'm basing my understanding off of financial derivatives rather than actual algebra.

      All that math is meant to show how sensitive engagements are in reference to a player being able to escape given different delta variables. The lower the delta, the lower the sensitivity. At the 15% delta threshold, sprint becomes pretty insignificant in aiding a player from escaping a bad decision.

      Stretching maps isn't a by-product of sprint, it's a by-product of poor design philosophy. The opportunity choice between base speed with gun at ready and faster speed with gun down isn't a bad thing, but it's hard to say it's a good thing either. Given that it's in the individuals choice to do (sprint), I can't say it's bad.

      The big kicker is, we've got silly developers that believe you need to scale up maps with sprint, which is simply not nescesary.
    12. coIdFUSI0N
      coIdFUSI0N
      From what I see, your math is irrelevant as you are omitting way too many variables. What's the distance between cover? How big is the Spartan model? Where is the camera located?

      I also believe you are basing all that math off an assumed sprint speed that is way too low.

      As for map stretching not being a byproduct of sprint, you believe the smaller classic maps, like Warlock, would play well with sprint? Don't you think giving players four cross-map teleporters and the ability to sprint would sway the balance too far in favor of Flight rather than Fight? If so, do you think that changing the balance of gameplay, in such a way that rewards fleeing, is good for Halo?
    13. SecretSchnitzel
      SecretSchnitzel
      You're getting one last response and no more. "I believe you are basing all that math off an assumed sprint speed that is way too low". That quote alone says you literally are incompetent and have virtually no understanding of the very basic mathematical model I depicted for you. If you couldn't even begin to grasp such basic principles as the relationships I depicted, then there is no reason why I should ever lower myself to try and explain anything to you.

      I'll put it this why Cold, I think your an ignoramus that is either incapable or simply refuses to try to understand things outside your narrow minded perception of the world. Rather than wracking that precious little brain of yours, you'd rather wave your hand dismissively and act like you're the more knowledgeable in any debate. I swear, the only way you know how to debate any subject is with an over reliance on logical fallacies.

      I was terribly mistaken in thinking I could engage in any semblance of intelligent discussion with you. You are, and forever will be, a troglodyte of epic proportions. The only place where your blatant ignorance and lack of basic logic is out done is BE. Perhaps you should make that your home instead of here?
    14. SecretSchnitzel
      SecretSchnitzel
      Actually, screw it, I'll point out the blatantly obvious bit that a child should have been able to recognize.... THE MATH ISN'T BASED OFF SPRINT, ITS BASED OFF BASE MOVEMENT SPEED.

      If sprint was 125% base movement speed, and the delta is 25%, then what, do tell, is the calculation based off of? THE ****ING BASE SPEED. Your inability to recognize this simple little line of reasoning validates every single thing I had to say about your intelligence.
    15. coIdFUSI0N
      coIdFUSI0N
      How does me being skeptical of the sprint speed you claimed existed in the Guardians beta make me ignorant? Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
    16. Korlash
      Korlash
      wow, this thread escalated quickly,

      much like your movement speed once you begin sprinting
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    17. coIdFUSI0N
      coIdFUSI0N
      I just wish we could stop attacking each other,

      much like what happens when you start sprinting.
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    18. Korlash
      Korlash
      I know. Sadly people don't get away with argument-provoking posts

      as if they are trying to sprint away while one shot
      WAR and purely fat like this.
    19. Hulter
      Hulter
      Oh look. They'll make a separate version of the game for the people that don't hate Halo.
      WAR and purely fat like this.

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