Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn

Discussion in 'Halo and Forge Discussion' started by Stevo, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. Spicy Forges

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    My bad didnt realise Lasky was the leader of infinity. Still, i knew ged be the underdog.
     
  2. WWWilliam

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    Are you a 12-13 yr old by any chance?

    To a 12yr old think they have just as much cognitive ability as any adult because they can make there own "educated" decisions, But brains not developed enough so the "educated" isn't as "educated" as a fully developed brain(adults brain).

    The human brain does most of its development within the first 20 years of life


    But just found out microsoft put $10 million dollars into making this short series, Bet it all went into animations because you would think they can afford better looking marine armor but animations look amazing.
     
  3. PacMonster1

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    ...lolno
     
  4. Security

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    I'm just going to mention here that the only Halo books that I have read are First Strike an Ghosts of Onyx and I read them years ago. I was just talking out of my ass earlier. No need to start a discussion on child psychology.

    But for the sake of discussing childhood psychology, the UNSC preying on adolescents is still exploitation. They are exploiting the emotions of the children (wanting revenge) to get them to join their cause. In this case, how is revenge different from candy? Also, people rarely act rationally when they are seeking revenge, pair that with the maturity of a child, and you can't say that what the UNSC did was right.
     
  5. Wood Wonk

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    12 years old is the same as an adult in terms of what the brain can do. i dont have a masters in psychology, but i have taken a few psych courses as GPA boosters and i have the lecture notes from someone who does have a masters in psychology right in front me, which is probably better than some broad topic wikipedia page. 12 years old is the final stage in terms of cognitive gains and limitations, according to piaget. at 12 years old, you can apply logic to abstract or hypothetical situations, make abstract logical predictions, and are capable of mature moral reasoning.

    and william im far from a grammar ****, but i dont even really understand what youre trying to say in that sentence.

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    yes they were definitely exploiting them. most would say that the whole spartan program, even if they started as willing adults, was amoral. which is why they initially kept it secret. voluntary or not, they were taking away a whole human's life. even if they survived the war and we won, they would never be able to live a normal life after. hell, the spartan III program intended to create soldiers to go on suicide missions. they expected them to die, only to train a new batch. it was very wrong ethically, but they believed it was necessary to win the war.
     
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  6. RoboArtist

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    FUD is alot better than this **** at the movies. Im really starting to get into it :D
     
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    lol watch 343 get pissy at machinima for announcing it if it were a mistake.
     
  9. PacMonster1

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    I know this is offtopic but I can't let that kind of misunderstanding go.

    You have the information but the wrong conclusion. The brain is not a switch and Jean Piaget's developmental stages is not the de facto definition of developmental stages in life. That being said, they do form a good yard stick to understand the border conditions. Around 12 (not at 12, like I said it is not a switch, some people mature earlier, some later) kids begin adolescence. At this stage they are capable of higher order learning. This learning means they can connect the dots as it were and make relationships between things they are being taught and things they haven't been taught.

    Now, it is important not to think of this capability to learn as equivalent to a fully mature (in brain development) adult. The synapses are still being created, connected, and strengthened in the brain during adolescence while in adulthood these synapses stay relatively stable. They might shift around, weaken over time (memory loss) or form new connections (learning a new language, skill, etc).

    TL;DR version of all that, is that while you are correct in that higher order learning begins from around 12 you are incorrect to make the assumption that a 12 year old brain is equivalent to an adult one.

    On Topic:

    The spartan in the clip the cadets were looking at certainly not Master Chief. They even say the call sign of master chief in the beginning of the first episode (John 117). Unless they are referring the scenes of Master Chief in the cyro-tube in the beginning of the episode?
     
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  10. Titmar

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    a simple example of this concept would be how a 12 year old child will commonly demand toys, not understanding that they cant have everything they want. whereas a more adult child will understand that such a thing is not possible.
     
  11. FrozenGoathead

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    Damn, those intros give me chills man. Especially the most recent one where Cortana is basically fighting herself.
     
  12. Wood Wonk

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    i may have gotten in over my head with the developmental psychology stuff, but basically my original point was that asking a 12 year old if they wanted to fight the guys who killed their parents is not abducting a child, and its not the same as luring a small child into a van with promises of candy, which i still believe to be true.

    i really dont think thats the right age range. thats something a preschooler would do, like age 3-5. 12 years old is junior high age.

    i thought that was best scene of the series so far.
     
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    But the UNSC used the 12 year old's premature senses to lure them in with vengeance. A 12 year old does not assess a situation before acting, especially in a time of great grief and anger. If on a normal day with their parents alive, they probably would have been shocked or not understand the situation, or at least be too scared.

    /on topic

    Does anyone know if they plan on making more episodes after this miniseries?
     
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    the spartan we saw in episode three was Fredrick 104
     
  15. Wood Wonk

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    im not saying what they did was right, or that they were not exploiting them. again, im just saying they didnt abduct them.

    nope, not as of now at least

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    the one the POV character looked at was fred, but the one who's helmet cam it was may very well have been chief. i think it was
     
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  16. pyro

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    Wartime orphan vs. Spartan? In most cases I'd go for spartan.
     
  17. Marcass2021

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    Ah.. good point sir, i did not even think about that...
     
  18. pyro

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    The helmet cam video was Chief. If strolling around while everyone is taking cover isn't enough indication, towering over everyone else should be.
     
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  20. Wood Wonk

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    well that means its a spartan
     

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