Custom setting results: "Vehicle Set" and "Weapons On Map"

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  1. Indie Anthias

    Indie Anthias Unabash'd Rubbernecker
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    This is a little compilation I put together that may find some use in unexpected places. It's nothing super complicated that anybody couldn't find out on their own through basic investigation... but why do the work if you don't have to?

    Almost all game variants have a setting to dictate what weapons and vehicles are placed on the map and can over-ride what is set out by default via Forge. But the exact output that you can expect can be a bit unpredictable, given only a vaguely descriptive label to go by. This is a master list of exactly what all of these settings do.

    Note 1: there are 2 ways the game goes about achieving these results. Either it replaces weapons/vehicles that are not of the designated set with weapons/vehicles that are, OR it simply deletes weapons/vehicles that are not of the designated set.

    With options that make use of the first case, it is possible to override and exceed the apparent limit of that item type that is imposed during Forge. This picture shows an extreme example of what is possible:

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    That is 48 Mongooses, made possible by placing every allowable vehicle on a map and using the setting of "Mongooses" under Vehicle Set.

    Note 2: "X" means weapon/vehicle is deleted.
    Anything not listed in any given setting is not affected.

    Note 3: The setting "Turrets on Map" seems to be bugged (as I think was the case in Halo 3). This setting has no effect. However, if you select "No Vehicles" under "Vehicle Set", all 3 turret varieties (including the Shade) are removed.

    So, use this information however you can and let me know if any mistakes are found.

    Custom Option "Weapons On Map"

    Setting: "Human Wapons"
    Concussion Rifle = Grenade Launcher
    Sword = X
    FRG = Laser
    Hammer = Shotgun
    Focus Rifle = Sniper
    Needle Rifle = DMR
    Needler = AR
    Plasma Launcher = Rockets
    Plasma Pistol = Magnum
    Plasma Repeater = AR
    Plasma Rifle = AR
    Spiker = AR

    Setting: "Covenant Weapons"
    AR = Plasma Repeater
    DMR = Needle Rifle
    Grenade Launcher = Concussion Rifle
    Magnum = Plasma Pistol
    Rockets = Plasma Launcher
    Shotgun = Plasma Repeater
    Sniper = Focus Rifle
    Laser = Plasma Launcher

    Setting: "No Snipers"
    Sniper = AR
    Focus Rifle = Plasma Repeater

    Setting: "No Power"
    Grenade Launcher = X
    Rockets = X
    Shotgun = X
    Sniper = X
    Laser = X
    Concussion Rifle = X
    Sword = X
    FRG = X
    Hammer = X
    Focus Rifle = X
    Plasma Launcher = X

    Setting: "Arena"
    AR = DMR
    Laser = DMR
    Concussion Rifle = Needle Rifle
    Sword = Plasma Pistol
    Hammer = Magnum
    Focus Rifle = Sniper
    Needler = Magnum
    Plasma Launcher = Rockets
    Plasma Repeater = Needle Rifle

    Setting: "Rockets"
    everything = Rockets

    Setting: "Melee"
    AR = Sword
    DMR = Sword
    Grenade Launcher = Sword
    Magnum = Sword
    Concussion Rifle = Sword
    Needler = Sword
    Needle Rifle = Sword
    Plasma Pistol = Sword
    Plasma Repeater = Sword
    Plasma Rifle = Sword
    Spiker = Sword
    Plasma Launcher = Hammer
    FRG = Hammer
    Focus Rifle = Hammer
    Sniper = Hammer
    Laser = Hammer
    Rockets = Hammer
    Shotgun = Hammer

    Setting: "Rifles"
    AR = DMR
    Grenade Launcher = DMR
    Magnum = DMR
    Rockets = Sniper
    Shotgun = Sniper
    Laser = Sniper
    Concussion Rifle = Needle Rifle
    Needler = Needle Rifle
    Plasma Pistol = Needle Rifle
    Plasma Repeater = Needle Rifle
    Plasma Rifle = Needle Rifle
    Spiker = Needle Rifle
    Sword = Focus Rifle
    FRG = Focus Rifle
    Hammer = Focus Rifle
    Plasma Launcher = Focus Rifle

    Setting: "Mid Range"
    All Human = DMR
    All Covenant = Needle Rifle

    Setting: "Long Range"
    All Human = Sniper
    All Covenant = Focus Rifle

    Setting: "Human Sniper"
    everything = Sniper

    Setting: "Swords"
    everything = Sword

    Setting: "Hammers"
    everything = Hammer

    Setting: "Mass Destruction"
    AR = Rockets
    DMR = Rockets
    Magnum = Rockets
    Shotgun = Rockets
    Sniper = Laser
    Sword = FRG
    Hammer = FRG
    Focus Rifle = FRG
    Needle Rifle = Plasma Launcher
    Needler = Plasma Launcher
    Plasma Pistol = Plasma Launcher
    Plasma Repeater = Plasma Launcher
    Plasma Rifle = Plasma Launcher
    (Grenade Launcher, Concussion Rifle, Spiker = unchanged)

    Custom Option "Vehicle Set"

    Setting: "Mongooses"
    Everything except Shade = Mongoose

    Setting: "Warthogs"
    Everything except Shade, Gauss Hog, and Rocket Hog = Machine Gun Warthog

    Setting: "Light Ground"
    Revenant = X
    Wraith = X
    Scorpion = X
    Falcon = X
    Banshee = X

    Setting: "All Human"
    Wraith = Scorpion
    Banshee = X
    Ghost = Mongoose
    Revenant = Machine Gun Warthog

    Setting: "All Covenant"
    Falcon = Banshee
    Scorpion = Wraith
    Mongoose = Ghost
    Warthog (all variants) = Ghost

    Setting: "Tanks"
    everything except Scorpion, Wrath, Shade, and Revenant = X

    Setting: "Aircraft"
    everything except Falcon, Banshee, and Shade = X

    Setting: "No Human"
    Mongoose = X
    Warthog (all variants) = X
    Falcon = X
    Scorpion = X

    Setting: "No Covenant"
    Revenant = X
    Ghost = X
    Banshee = X
    Wraith = X

    Setting: "No Light Ground"
    Mongoose = X
    Ghost = X
    Warthog (all variants) = X

    Setting: "No Tanks"
    Revenant = X
    Scorpion = X
    Wraith = X

    Setting: "No Aircraft"
    Banshee = X
    Falcon = X

    Setting: "No Vehicles"
    every vehicle, including Shade = X
    Machine Gun Turret = X (by bug, I believe)
    Plasma Turret = X (by bug, I believe)
     
    #1 Indie Anthias, Feb 15, 2011
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2011
  2. Plasma Blades

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    This looks like it took quite a while - more so getting the data than anything else. However, I'm sure this will be incredibly useful for many forgers out there (though I'm sure I'll never need that many of a particular weapon or vehicle based on the maps I make). Is there anything along these lines possible with grenades? Or maybe that's somewhere in the list and I just didn't see it.

    However, and maybe I'm just too tired to comprehend it, the paragraph on turrets seems a little fuzzy. Are you referring to the fact that the system Bungie made considers turrets vehicles?
     
  3. Indie Anthias

    Indie Anthias Unabash'd Rubbernecker
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    When you look at the Weapons and Vehicles menu, you see the following lists (and a few others):

    Weapons on Map
    Grenades on Map
    Vehicle Set
    Abilities on Map
    Turrets on Map
    Powerups on Map

    all except "Weapons on Map" and "Vehicle Set" are incredibly simple: everything on or everything off. So yes, grenades can be affected but via a different part of the menu. The "Turrets on Map" is completely useless, as you can change this setting to on or off but it has no effect on anything. The turrets are affected by the "Vehicle Set" menu but only if the final option of "No Vehicles" is selected. I think I forgot to list that one, I'll add it on.
     
    #3 Indie Anthias, Feb 15, 2011
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2011
  4. Nemihara

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    Darn. I was hoping there'd be a way to trick the game into letting me have more Falcons. On the other hand, you could have 4 more Scorpions. That would be...pretty crazy. I can't think of anything that would really need that, honestly, but why the hell not.
     
  5. DMM White

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    Only 48 mongooses? I'm sure I managed 56 warthogs.
    Another 1 per player if you can set vehicles on the map in Race!
     
  6. cluckinho

    cluckinho Well Known
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    Thank you for taking your time to do this. It help resolve a problem in my current map
     

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