This isn't personal, and I've got nothing but respect for the forgers whose maps are in question. But let me give my honest opinion: I spend my whole ****ing life playing by the rules. And all the time I watch as other people slide by and get excused while they break, bend and disregard them. What sort of reward is there for people that follow rules and guidelines if the people who don't are given a free pass? No reward, that's what. I don't have an eloquent argument to make here, but let me just say this. Rules are rules. Having long winded discussions about which rules are or aren't fair have their place - and that place is before the contest starts and the rules are published. I would have absolutely still voted no if my map was one of the maps in question. There is nothing complicated about it.
21 - 5 thusfar. This isn't going to be an unanimous vote so what's the deal when a few finalists don't want it to happen? I mean one way or the other, somebody is going to be dissapointed. And that's a damn shame seeing how good the contest is run so far.
At least for Washed Up, it literally is only because of the way 343's file system works. WeedCough was just trying to save a new version to work on separately so he could update his map leaving the contest version untouched. But because he saved as new (Which logically you would think that would create a second, identical file with the first one untouched. Like if you're working in Microsoft Word, that would create a second, identical file, leaving the first one untouched), 343's system changed the last edited date. I would be mad if my map was disqualified because 343's file system doesn't follow the same logic as every other file system ever.
Again, nothing personal. Weed Cough seems like a rad guy and I don't have anything against him whatsoever. But the file system has been working this way for a while. It was this way for the extermination contest, it was this way for other contests I've been a part of. It sucks, I know...I touched a map of mine for a non forgehub contest a while back and was disqualified. It was modified for the exact same reason actually. But that's how **** goes. This being said, just reinstate them and it'll be fine. I won't object. I don't expect anyone else to agree with me really, and I don't care enough to make it a thing... But that's my opinion on it. 21 -5 makes it pretty clear that they will be reinstated anyways.
Nah. I was looking for basically 95% agreement in this vote. At time of posting it's sitting at 21-7 / 3-1. That's a lot of people who feel differently. I can't speak for the other judges but seeing that I'm personally inclined to not reinstate the maps.
What Dunco, Pat and Chunk said. Is basically where I am with this. Since the community is so small at the moment it should be okay. I think that it is more case by case. To collectivize all 3 situations is a terrible idea.
That works with Microsoft companies though. Because all of their failures come from them being so corporate and very collective.
21-7 indeed. I hope all voters will speak up btw. True. And I believe Demption was moving warthog's around which was kinda stupid. And he took it real well when Multi told him in a thread somewhere. Weedcough's case is indeed a pickle. I don't even know what the third map is or what was changed. Anyway, even though I voted yes, I sure hope the judges choose what is most fair for everybody.
What does how he takes it have to do with anything? Demption screwed up even if it was for a very dumb reason and whether he took it well should not effect someones judgement of what should be done. Clear violation of the rules that were stated. As Pat stated this is a known issue with saving. The parties involved should have made contact with each judge about the HCS ****. I am sure it would have easily solved the issue and we would not be having this discussion. I don't know about the last map at all but I assume it is similar to Demptions issue. But it is pretty clear that unpopular thing to do should be what is done. This forum and community has already shown a lack of integrity too many times.
I am a stickler for understanding nuances, but I also don't fault people for not understanding all of them. In this situation there is so much similarity between the correct procedure: Go to My Files, select Map, and choose "Save a Copy" vs the incorrect procedure (because it modifies the file) Open map in forge, change nothing, save as, exit. ...that it is unreasonable to expect everyone to understand the nuance. I personally feel it's not that hardto understand, but I've learned I need to be more lenient on my expectations of others' understanding of nuances like this one. What further weighs this towards "unfair" is that 343i has apparently now fixed this bug. Great ****ing timing!
Now I don't understand the nuance of it that well but I do know this game is hot garbage and has been goofy about saving maps ever since Halo 4. During the one contest I submitted a map for I made two files before the deadline in case something came up. The fear of something weird happening should be obvious enough at this point with 343 games that we as forgers prep for it. Especially with money being involved. My big issue is that all of these issues could have been prevented if the creators took a second to think about it. Moral of the story. Make both a contest version and edit version of your maps prior to deadlines.
So if none of these maps on trial make it to the top 3 I guess we've successfully wasted a lot of time. gg guys
Or...if the judges themselves would save the maps once on a specific deadline you can change or finetune whatever you want after. Oh well...
I don't think that is something you should rely on. What if they don't save it until they get to it which is a few days after the entry deadline? I think it would be a smart thing to promote people saving multiple copies of maps for contests. If we get anything out of this maybe we will get a set of guidelines so contest submissions don't end up like this. Which should be included in every announcement thread from here on out.
What frustrates me is that I made an additional version of my map BEFORE the contest was in motion so that I could edit it, alter it, mess around with it, etc, specifically because I knew this would happen if I even touched it at all. Honestly, I REALLY wish I had given my power weapon half of the ammo it has...but I haven't dared to even look at the map because I've known about this saving issue for really long time. Thing is, if you're one of the finalists I'll bet you've been using forge for a long time. Weedcough's maps are clearly on the top level in terms of visuals, I really mean that...in order to get to that point you need to spend a lot of time in the editor. Long enough to realize the editor creates a new version each time you touch it. Long enough to notice that EVERY time you go into a map in forge you have to set it to 'visible'. Ask yourself, why does this happen? BECAUSE THE FILE IS ALTERED... That's been happening for months and months now. If you're saying this isn't a known issue, I don't know what plane of reality you exist in. It's very much a known issue.