ok Ive updated the scores and BTW that means people who prefer it more and have clearly sated their resaon I dont know what you think i meant Jpitty by restricted, I was on about in MLG theres no fusion coils, needlers, shotguns, plasma rifles, brute shots, spikers, magnums ( i think), vehicles, theres some maps missed out and BTB is allowed almost anything except there are obviously no small maps
MLG It makes you a much better player. It forces you to use teamwork to win games. I love it. But yes, there are some a**h*l*s in that playlist though.
the score is now 4 each thank you for your contribution EDIT: sorry 3 each now, thanks for the heads up RaBBiiTTT
I agree with these gents also. There isn't a logical answer as to which of them are truly more fun to a player. Each player has a unique playing style and unique liking to what they constitute as "fun." Two seperate playlist for two seperate players. Each one either admiring the vastness of vehicular combat or barking out call-outs whilst getting hill time on MLG Construct. Some people like Infection, others would rather prefer Juggernaut. Same goes with this topic, some like BTB others like MLG because each player is different. Thus, no debate.
Big Team Battle: PROs: intensity larger maps more realistic (war isnt a 4v4 duel...) variety of weapons good teamwork involved CONs: Long games Harder if team is cut from communication tends to lag many people quit MLG: PROs: arena like gameplay BRs (good trusty weapon) Well forged maps CONs: Custom Powerup (bigger overshields? lame) BRs (very boring after a while) annoying people ("im such an MLG pro! scrub!") filled with boosters
AmericanPhyco... Big Team Battle: PROs: intensity "Not really..." Larger battles. ex 8v8 duel- opposed to 4v4. You have better weapons and are expected to take on multiple enemies at once. larger maps "Not everyone likes large maps"- true, but large maps are more like a warzone instead of an arena, more warlike. Also- less spawnkilling because there are more spawn points spread out more realistic (war isnt a 4v4 duel...) "4v4's require teamwork though. I can carry a BTB Team with 30+ kills when I want to." I said that it was more realistic because realistic warfare isnt a duel between 8 people- its normally larger scaled and has larger enviroments. And the "carrying with +30" it depends on how terrible your team and opponents are. variety of weapons "Are you really going to use Spikers on Sandtrap?" Well, there arent spikers on Sandtrap, but most MLG games only have maulers, BRs, Carbines... There are much more weapons in BTB good teamwork involved "Really, really... not." Ok, if there isnt good teammwork you mean that you can play alone without a team? CTF- you need to depend on all teammates. CONs: Long games "Long games are fun." True, but thats why many people dont play BTB, 1 EXP for a game that lasts 2 games. Thats why Ranked BTB was removed, people didnt play it Harder if team is cut from communication "Nobody communicates anyway." Then prepare to lose.... communication is key tends to lag "Yes" many people quit "Yes" MLG: PROs: arena like gameplay "Arena? Guardian? Narrows? The Pit? What maps are you talking about?" Onslaught, Amplified, MLG Pit, MLG Guardian- all Close Quarters maps BRs (good trusty weapon) "Yep" Well forged maps "Yep" CONs: Custom Powerup (bigger overshields? lame) "It makes you use teamwork. If it was a normal OS, you'd be slaughtered right when you grabbed it. "OS gives 5 second invulnerability after pickup, you can use that to get to safety.... BRs (very boring after a while) "I thought you said BRs were a Pro?" Its a pro and a con. BRs are good, but they ruin gameplay by making the game repetitive. annoying people ("im such an MLG pro! scrub!") "In the low ranks." No, higher ranks are arrogant and cocky, lower ranks are cocky also and wannabes at the same time... filled with boosters "Who care? You get the win!" They sicken me and ruin the matchmaking process for newer players. Nowadays, new first accounters have a struggle in ranking up in Team Slayer, Doubles and MLG because Boosters are incredibly cheap and ruined the matching system and destroy those new accounters.
BTB ftw. I find it more fun to be on a larger team. It puts less pressure on you. If you want to be the one that goes for the guts and the glory, I'd say MLG would be for you. But honestly MLG is just a gametype where you play more quickly and less lag is involved. Lag can equal hilarious results, which equals fun. That's why I support BTB.
BTB simply because more shenanigans tend to happen. In MLG you can't destroy a banshee and have the parts fall into a mancannon, land on a warthog, having the warthog explode then eventually betraying your teammate with the exploded warthog wreckage. Thats only an example but BTB is simply more laidback and fun than your regular MLG CTF Ons on MLG Onslaught V6 or whatever its called
I prefer BTB because I hate having to try really hard. However, I prefer MLG's rules (discluding vehicles). I like the fact that there is no radar and BR starts, with a little increased damage. So I am pretty much gray on the issue. Both are fun.
See now this is a tough one... I like MLG for the weapon choices, no radar, and the lack of NOOBS. But I also hate it because you may run into the biggest assholes, I dnt like most of the maps (just gaurdian and the foundry maps), and I dont like the smaller teams. BTB is great when you want to have a long lasting game and I like the maps in BTB better. But I always (not exagerated) have the woooorst team and when the other team gets all vehical control (you've seen all of those videos of total guass ownage and total tank ownage)... Just wow, it makes me want to punch the wall.
mikelp, American Psycho destroyed you. Though he was wrong about there not being arrogant people at higher level MLG, there definitely are and I've gotten higher then him on multiple accounts in the playlists. But seriously you can expect that in any matchmaking playlist, don't play the game if you can't handle it. I prefer MLG. I am a competitive person and like individual skill and teamwork to both shine in Halo. I just don't see that in BTB seeing as the vehicles really don't take much individual skill and most of the people are incapable of being considered as competition, so naturally I am going to lean towards my home in the MLG playlist. But in all honesty, this is pretty pointless on the Forgehub forums to be posted. There really wont be much debate considering most of the players on this site aren't really the competitive types of players. Although there are some really competitive and skilled players on this site, within the first week of being a member you will notice that we are extremely outnumbered. Also the fact that most people within the teenage ages are very closed-minded and think they know everything, also basically eliminating any real debate, and just turning everything into immature little flame wars. But it's all in preference, it is impossible for any to be better than the other, besides the fact that the players in the MLG playlist are much more skilled
True, but it's kind of more rare than in lower levels. Below say, 30, there's almost always someone who quits, complains, or something else annoying.
I want to say first: im getting really tired of spending 20mins to color code this..... Also Dotti..... thanks for the opinion.... Also "dont play the game if I cant handle it"? I can handle boosters and second accounters. I destroy boosters constantly and it very disgusting to look at people that exploit flaws in the ranking system, they actually think that they are good because they destroy new players and get their rank up because system thinks that they are worse than the 30s that they are playing. I see what you did when you said "ive gotten higher in MLG on multiple accounts" Thats probably the worst way to handle it, multiple accounts contribute to boosters instead of "handling them" and arent ranking up legitimately..... Big Team Battle: PROs: intensity "Not really..." Larger battles. ex 8v8 duel- opposed to 4v4. You have better weapons and are expected to take on multiple enemies at once. I just don't find Big Team Battle to be intense... MLG is intense. Constantly using the same weapons isnt too intense, its all opinion based anyways. larger maps "Not everyone likes large maps"- true, but large maps are more like a warzone instead of an arena, more warlike. Also- less spawnkilling because there are more spawn points spread out However, there is still a ton of spawn killing in Big Team. Avalanche for example: I can grab a sniper and watch the major spawn locations: Rockets and the side of the main bases. Normally, you dont spawn in the same location 2 times (unless you constantly die) normally you are in a safe location. more realistic (war isnt a 4v4 duel...) "4v4's require teamwork though. I can carry a BTB Team with 30+ kills when I want to." I said that it was more realistic because realistic warfare isnt a duel between 8 people- its normally larger scaled and has larger enviroments. And the "carrying with +30" it depends on how terrible your team and opponents are. I usually get 15-30 kills in BTB. 1st of all: thats not even related to how realistic the game is. 2nd: Once again, depends on weapons and how bad the other team is that you get your kills by... variety of weapons "Are you really going to use Spikers on Sandtrap?" Well, there arent spikers on Sandtrap, but most MLG games only have maulers, BRs, Carbines... There are much more weapons in BTB Ok, you got me on the spikers, but that's not the point. How often do you use SMGs on Valhalla? Actually, very often. SMGs are better than ARs, also do great damage to vehicles.... And there is more than that, there are vehicles, shotguns, laser, missile pod, equipment, turret, etc... MLG has 3 or 4 weapons.... good teamwork involved "Really, really... not." Ok, if there isnt good teammwork you mean that you can play alone without a team? CTF- you need to depend on all teammates. Well, I guess we think of teamwork to be different things. I consider teamwork to be calling out enemies, letting your teammates know when weapons are spawning, and overall, communication. I don't hear communication relating to the objective often in BTB. In MLG, everyone is communicating. BTB has various types of teamwork involved, whether it is callouts, talking to someone to get a pickup from vehicles, pushing to gain territory with a team. Also, games are like a Territory game, people control areas around the huge map to get kills and push the enemy back, that takes teamwork to do (unless you can win a 1v8....) CONs: Long games "Long games are fun." True, but thats why many people dont play BTB, 1 EXP for a game that lasts 2 games. Thats why Ranked BTB was removed, people didnt play it I play BTB all the time. I don't think many people care about the EXP. I sure don't. Other people DO though, I dont. But without EXP, some people feel like a rip off to get their "precious K/D lowered to get no EXP from loosing after playing for 30mins in 1 game.EXP motivates some people to play- as weird as it seems Harder if team is cut from communication "Nobody communicates anyway." Then prepare to lose.... communication is key I can win without it: 30 Kills: No one on my team had mics and people even quit out 23 Kills: +10 KD Spread and a Running Riot 19 Kills: 5 Deaths +14 KD Spread In slayer maybe, but in an objective game, you may need someone to get you away with a vehicle, shame that you cannot call for a ride, also you cannot give callouts in slayer or tell someone to watch out in an area. Those stats you posted are pointless, your teammates may suck because they dont have info on where the enemy is or an objective due to lack of communication. Also those stats can be achieved with a tank while alone, but your personal stats. You need mics in BTB as much as MLG, its the same reasons. tends to lag "Yes" many people quit "Yes" MLG: PROs: arena like gameplay "Arena? Guardian? Narrows? The Pit? What maps are you talking about?" Onslaught, Amplified, MLG Pit, MLG Guardian- all Close Quarters maps Not The Pit. That's a really wide open map. BRs (good trusty weapon) "Yep" Well forged maps "Yep" CONs: Custom Powerup (bigger overshields? lame) "It makes you use teamwork. If it was a normal OS, you'd be slaughtered right when you grabbed it. "OS gives 5 second invulnerability after pickup, you can use that to get to safety.... You get the same thing with the CP, but you can't be shot before getting it. And 5 seconds would not be that useful. You can be team shotted right after and die. Also, when you said "CP takes teamwork after grabbed" isnt true- a person goes around with CP on and doesnt need teammates anymore because he has the shields of his entire team, he can go jump around and get an extermination, there isnt teammwork involved with it, when you said "you would be slaughtered before you get OS" well, after you pick up CP, you slaughter everyone else- that is lame because you become a tank. BRs (very boring after a while) "I thought you said BRs were a Pro?" Its a pro and a con. BRs are good, but they ruin gameplay by making the game repetitive. The game's repetitive if you make it repetitive. Mix it up with new tactics and playstyles. Its not the tactics, its the same old weapon over and over again, its boring seeing people do nothing but strafe and 4 shot.... Also, the BR ruins all size of maps, there is no such thing as close quarters combat, its all about staying far back with the BR. Nowadays, MLG freaks have whined so much about the BR not always put into TS, now they get what they want. The BR is everywhere and it ruins all styles of gameplay, there is no such thing as running into the open because the BR is given to everyone. Thats like making everyone have snipers in TS- now someone needs to be an expert sniper or they fail at 2 playlists.... annoying people ("im such an MLG pro! scrub!") "In the low ranks." No, higher ranks are arrogant and cocky, lower ranks are cocky also and wannabes at the same time... Lower ranks are just plain annoying. People quit and complain all the time. I'm a 40 in MLG and I'd like to let you know that high ranks are not arrogant and cocky. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're a 9 in MLG and you are making a generalization about high ranked MLG. Im a 9 because im so bored, ive played MLG for about 10EXP because I only play when my friends drag me into it. I could be much higher in MLG, the BR is my tool of destruction and I havent lost at the 10 times that ive played MLG, but its not fun to me (as you can see by my debate over MLG).... I play with high ranked MLG players all the time in other games. They are all arrogant... I do have plenty of knowledge on what im talking about, just because im low in MLG doesnt mean that I dont play with people that are high in it. Also, why are you accusing me of making generalizations on higher ranked MLGers because you have done the same thing about lower ranks and how they are all "just plain annoying" sounds pretty hypocritical to me. Also, you went as far as to research me on B.net? A little number doesnt determine someone's knowledge of the game.... filled with boosters "Who care? You get the win!" They sicken me and ruin the matchmaking process for newer players. Nowadays, new first accounters have a struggle in ranking up in Team Slayer, Doubles and MLG because Boosters are incredibly cheap and ruined the matching system and destroy those new accounters. I don't like them either, but there's nothing you can do to stop them from boosting. It surely doesnt make the playlist any more fun if its filled with them.
Im not even going to spend another 20 minutes typing and color coding to prove a small point. Both are fine playlists and this entire debate is completely opinion-based. Here are the main arguments. in most replies to my reasons, you state what you can do personally- not every BTB and MLG player is a clone of you. When I say that BTB requires teamwork or else someone will die from fighting a 1v8 constantly- you respond with "ive gotten a killtac in a 1v8" but you cant do that every time without a team to help and even if it wasnt luck, not every other player can do that. i think that a few things you have read wrong- when I said "more realistic" i meant that its more like an actual war, MLG is like a duel between 8 people in a closed environment, not a war. You started talking about skill- im saying that BTB relates more and feels more like war. Also spawn killing- you say people get spawn killed in BTB more than MLG? you say that in your experiences, you spawn kill on giant maps? And you dont spawn kill on small arenas? Also, you said "not everyone is going to rely on ARs and SMGs" I gave you a list of atleast 5 other guns that are in most BTB maps. Im saying that MLG is bland because they have about 4 or 5 different weapons on every map and that is it. BTB maps have a large variety of almost every gun possible. People learn to adopt new skills with new guns. MLG forces the same 3 guns on people and make them a need- that kills people in other playlists because instead of learning new skills, they have to scream until they find their trusty MLG weapons that they are used to. Microphones are still very important in BTB as well as MLG. In BTB, if someone is hiding with cloak or has a powerful weapon and you should be concerned, a teammate can warn the team before the other 7 players walk into a trap. MLG doesnt have as many things to be concerned about unless a person is 1 shot or has an objective. Most of the time there are only maulers, rockets and a CP to be worried about. BTB has a variety of weapons to have concern for- multiple: lasers, snipers, shotguns, turrets, etc. with the objectives and 1 shot players to worry about. When I said that you probably cannot take 1v8 and you said that you have before.... that isnt what i ment- i ment constantly and just because you have personally done something cool, doesnt mean everyone does that. Also when someone gets away with the CP, he has an incredibly high shield level if he is unharmed while they charge. He has enough to do laps around the level, and that is the CON not how hard it is to grab it. Also, being a low rank in MLG doesnt mean that I have no information on what MLG is about, what the people are like, how things work. Stop bringing up the fact that im a 9 to support your conclusions because that doesnt mean anything, I play with 40+ MLG people, I use the BR and play MLG customs. I just dont find it fun enough to play it on matchmaking. I have been a 45 in three playlists and there is no difference between the reactions that people make in the 45s or in the 5s.... a player is a player and the little number next to his rank only determines how well he performs, not how he acts. "If someone stays back with a BR or sniper, do the same, or be sneaky and come up behind them. They won't know that you're behind them because there's no radar in MLG. " - That is completely irrelevant to what I was saying.... I said the BR is also a CON because it makes gameplay repetitive and forces players to learn to use 1 weapon- even though im good with the BR, if someone else isnt, then they are forced to use it in almost every gametype. What im saying is that MLG has made BRs spread through more playlists because people demand it too much and rely on it- now its everywhere and almost every playlist is similar to MLG because it forces BRs on everyone. I dont have a biassed opinion on BTB, otherwise my Cons list wouldnt be bigger than MLG, you are being biassed on MLG because you say that MLG uses teamwork and then the exact same example in BTB doesnt require teamwork. On the 2nd to last argument. you think that you know more about how players act because you are a 40 and have played 9s before. But im a 9, and I play with 40s when i play MLG with friends and in MLG customs. I also have knowledge on how you think, and half of the boosters that I play that are 5s at the moment, are 40+ on their other 5 accounts. Stop reiterating what you said: "you dont know what you are talking about" "you are making generalizations" you have said that 2 times and 2 times I have responded. I think i do know what im talking about, because im writing paragraphs into this on this entire debate. The "little number" IS pointless because it doesnt change the person, it just shows how much effort they put into the playlist- Ive put 0 effort into MLG, and im a 9.... You have put much more effort and have a 40. If i were a 40, it just means that i tried to get a 40- it doesnt make me a 40 if im arrogant and im not a 9 because im annoying. thats like saying that people change their activity due to their skill: "I was once annoying, but now im a 40 so im arrogant" - makes no sense. I think that you dont know what you are talking about because you are skipping over so many points that I make and reply to something like I was saying something else. Again: stop telling me that I dont have any idea of what im talking about because you dont have any info on what I experience: I have played with high ranks in MLG, most of my friends are higher in MLG, when they drag me into MLG, im playing 30s, 40s in MLG because some of my friends are high ranks in MLG. I also play with them in other playlists like TS, there are people that are high in MLG that play TS. You stereotype all low levels to be annoying and quitters, and then hypocritically, you tell me that im stereotypical for saying most higher ranks are arrogant. we are both generalizing. Im saying that high levels are cocky, you say that low levels are quitters and annoying. But neither of us have played with every single player in MLG. IM NO LONGER WRITING MY OPINIONS, IM TIRED OF DEBATING OVER 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYLISTS, THEY BOTH HAVE PROS AND CONS AND YOU CANNOT DENY THAT.