Could not create object. Too many on map. (The Total Object Limit EXPLAINED)

Intro:
Since the sandbox map is coming out soon and they warned us of the third limit or budget on forge. We can do this right now and test out what the limit is.

The Test:
This is the third hidden limit of the OLN which is very obscure....

Ok so here is what I did to test it.

I took the default Foundry map and spawned objects till cap was reached.

Then i took a clean (all objects deleted) non budget hacked map and spawned objects till cap was nearly reached and then budge hacked a few objects. Then i went and used default placed type objects (Spawn Points) to finish the rest of the cap.

Results:
The summury of results follows. Results do not calculate Run Time Maximum (Will do it later)
Foundry Default = 182 Spawned Objects
Foundry Default + Extra Objects = 391 Spawned Objects

Clean without default = 284 Spawned Objects (Limit not reached)
Clean with default = 361 Spawned Objects (Limit reached)

Conclusion:
So as it appears when you use a clean canvas map you will lose about 30-40~ Spawnable Objects.

More on this to come. Goodjob Bungie =)

Sidonuke,
Sidonuke@Sidonuke.com

 

In Default Test the number in the () is the run time maximum
In the Clean Test the run time maximum is the objects spawned.

Data:

Code:

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Default Objects:
8 Battle Rifles (12)
1 Shotgun (3)
2 Sniper (4)
4 Spiker (6)
1 Plasma Pistol (4)
2 Plasma Rifle (6)
2 Brute Shot (4)
1 Rocket Launcher (3)
21
1 Ghost (4)
1
8 Frag Grenade (8)
4 Plasma Grenade (8)
2 Bubble Shield (4)
2 Power Drain (4)
1 Grav Lift [Equip] (4)
17
14 Double Box (15)
6 Double Box, Open (7)
10 Single Box (10)
1 Single Box, Open (2)
5 Fence Wall (5)
3 Stairs (3)
2 Wall (2)
7 Wall, Double (7)
2 Wall, Corner (2)
5 Bridge (5)
3 Dumpster (3)
2 Door (2)
1 Forklift (1)
1 Truck (1)
4 Wire Spool (4)
2 Sign B (2)
2 Sign A (2)
6 Window Panel (6)
6 Fusion Coil (6)
6 Street Cone (6)
88
55 Spawn Point (55)
55
182 Total
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Test Default (Forge in CTF Mode):
182 "Default Object" Added
15 Assault Rifles (15)
15
24 Frag Grenade (24)
28 Plasma Grenade (28)
32 Spike Grenade
84
45 Spawn Point (45)
18 Start Point (18)
7 Spawning Area (7)
6 Respawn, Flag Home (6)
6 Respawn, Flag Away (6)
82
14 Flag Spawn Point (14)
14 Flag Return Point (14)
28
209 Total
GRAND TOTAL DEFAULT TEST:
391
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Test Clean [NO DEFAULT OBJECTS TYPES USED] (Forge in CTF Mode):
16 SMG
16 Magnum
8 Needler
8 Spartan Laser
8 Energy Sword
8 Gravity Hammer
16 Carbine
8 Mauler
8 Beam Rifle
8 Sentinel Beam
104
8 Firebomb
4 Tripmine
4 Regenerator
4 Radar Jammer
4 Flare
4 Deployable Cover
4 Overshields
4 Active Camo
4 Custom Powerup
40
16 Crate
16 Barrel
16 Barrel, Small
16 Barrier
16 Barrier, Short
16 Pallet
16 Roadblock
16 Propane Tank
8 Weapon Holder
4 Soccer Ball
140
GRAND TOTAL 284 (Limit not Reached)
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Adding Default Type Objects:
77 Spawn Point
GRAND TOTAL 361 (Limit Reached)
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Default 182
Default (+ Extra) [Limit Reached] 391
Clean With Extra [Limit not Reached] 284
Clean With Extra (+ Some Defaults) [361(GrandTotal)-{77(Total)-55(Default)}=22(Extra)] 339
Clean With Extra (+ Some Defaults) [361(GrandTotal)-{77(Total)-22(Extra)}=55(Default)] 306
Clean With Extra (+ Some Defaults) [Both Counter] {Limit Reached} 361
 

 

UPDATE!:

Ok i took a fully loaded Default Map with my extras up to the limit without two assault rifles. I placed one assault rifle and then attempted to place another one. Limit was reached. Now i tryed adding in a battle rifle. Success! Kept adding more stuff. Success!

Now i did the forgery clean map with the super budget glitch (No initial objects needed). When to the object limit of 361~362 for no default object maps. Got error message and failed even after save/quit.


So the glitch works by the following

1. Load the default Foundry Map
2. Reaching in about one object to the limit (you can place only one more and then any more is limit) (360 Objects Placed)
3. WARNING: Do not reach the limit before saving and you must be with in one object as explained above.
4. Save then end game
5. Load map
6. Place one object
7. Attempt to place the same object [It will say limit reached]
8. That object now can not be created anymore but anything else is over the limit for good.
9. Save game and now you have it saved over the limit.
10. Load back in delete other random objects used to get to the limit and create your once disabled object
11. Now we can go over on all objects

Warning: Going back below the object cap then saving and reloading will result in the cap returning.

Note: Its best to try and glitch the map after your very close to the object cap.

Object Caps:
361~362 - Clean maps
391 - Default map without default objects deleted

 

Yes in a fully user deleted map the allowed object count is decreased about 30-40 objects as compared to just using the default map and moving objects. [See post 1-2]

Also the object cap can be bypassed and then saved as bypassed so it doesnt matter. [See post 3]

 

UPDATE!:
The item limit bypass only stays bypassed as long as you are over the limit. Delete too many objects to get below the cap you will lose the cap bypass. Now you can run the glitch on already done maps so you can get past the limit even on a map that is done. it may not work all the time. the only perfect results i could get is with the default forgery map but it must be something im doing.

Thanks for all the positive input. I started this once i knew about the object limit and then i figured a few ways to glitch it. so i found a newly perfect foolproof method on the default map to bypass the cap.

Once sandbox comes out ill see what we can do with the cap on the map. It should be bypassable on any map.

Warning:
Also one note make too many objects with the budget and cap bypassed and halo 3 will freeze and objects will be flicking insanely bad.

Updating Orginial Post.