Leopard vs. Ubuntu

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  1. xxAl Capwnagexx

    xxAl Capwnagexx Ancient
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    So I've been searching for a new Mac for a little over a month now, and with the new ones released, they are out of my current price range ($1000 or lower) as they are $1300 (if you didn't know that they were released, apple.com should answer any questions). I don't really want to settle for the cheaper plastic one for $999, but if I have to I will.

    So, my question to you, Forgehub (or mostly nemi), what are the pro's and con's of ubuntu? I can't stand vista so don't try to sway me that way.

    Is it better or worse then leopard in your opinion?

    What are some advantages that ubuntu has over leopard?

    What are some advantages that leopard has over ubuntu?

    Also, since I don't want to do a Hackintosh, I'd have to buy either a dell or sony laptop, that is under $1000. Any suggestions?

    And if if it doesn't seem to be worth it to use ubuntu, I'll just settle for the Touch, or wait it out 'till christmas to see if the MacBook prices go down.

    So....convince me.

    *note: the lack of firewire on the new MacBooks does not matter to me, nor does TargetDiskMode. And I'm not going to buy the MacBookPro.

    *note: I have pretty much no experience with Linux or anything, so is the switchover hard to get used to for someone that can't stand windows but loves leopard? Also, I'm open to OpenSUS or other linux options.
     
  2. M.Jelleh

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    Well I don't know to much about the Ubuntu system, but I hear it is great. If you get a new computer that isn't mac, definitely get a dell or sony. All other PCs kind of suck. Although I had hp and it wasn't TERRIBLE. Still though...

    If you saved up some more though, GET A MAC. They just made new macbooks and I feel it is totally worth it.
     
  3. Vinny

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    leopard

    because it's mac

    and i'm a mac fanboy
     
  4. CHUCK

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    Can't go wrong with mac. Due to my lack of knowing anything about ubuntu, i wouldn't risk going for something i know nothing about.
     
  5. The Evil Box

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    I looked at Ubuntu.com, and I would have to say get the Mac.
     
  6. xxAl Capwnagexx

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    lol, thanks for the help guys :/

    Just kidding, I'm a mac fan boy too, but I read Apple Insider and there was rumors of an entry point of $800, which would be amazing. Instead it was $500 more from what I expected to come out yesterday. I want the new mac books so bad still, but the prices RISING, during an economic crisis no less, is pushing me away.

    If there's no way to go but the Mac, then should I go for the older white plastic MacBook? It's $950 with my education discount, but I current only have about $720. Better get saving :/

    Nemi where are you? I need you to give me 98213 reasons why Ubuntu is better. Or is it?

    edit: See, I'm not alone
     
  7. Nemihara

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    Do not worry, child. I am always with you.
    Except for in bed.

    My experiences with Apple has not been too great.

    (flashback to grade school with computer lab loaded with iMacs)
    "NO! ****!!! I DON'T WANT TO REBOOT! I WANT TO SAVE MY ****ING DOCUMENT!"
    "WTF CORRUPTED MY FLOPPY"
    "WHERE'S THE RIGHT CLICK GODDAMMIT!"
    "OMG WON'T READ MY MS WORD DOC FILE ON APPLEWORKS WTF"
    (/flashback)

    Yeah, well, I realize that most people these days are used to proprietary OS. If you are actually considering switching to Linux, here's a few pointers I should tell you.

    1. There isn't a really good way to install applications except for the software repository (more on that later) and using a .deb Debian install package. If you somehow manage to get to a tar.gz file, my advice is to stay way back from those. They contain source code that require you to compile it yourself. If you don't know what you're doing, it gets really confusing.
    2. After Vista, Linux has a horrible time with hardware drivers. Most manufacturers don't even bother making a Linux version of a driver, so you'll have to hunt down for them, ranging from trivial stuff like Bluetooth and webcams, to more integral stuff like NICs, Wi-fi cards, and graphics cards.
    3. As a fair warning, THERE IS NO PHOTOSHOP. You can get CS2 to work on WINE (an app that lets you run Windows programs on Linux), or you could virtualize Photoshop CS3 in Windows on VirtualBox (an app that you can download that lets you run Windows on your machine virtually, provided that you have the install disk and stuff). Or, you could use the free alternative and use GIMP, but it's pretty weird if you've been used to Photoshop.
    4. Similar to the above, there are few good games in Linux. This is enough to deter many would-be Linux users. You can use WINE to run a few games, (I've had great experience with Halo PC and Custom Edition, as well as Half Life and Counter Strike.), but the majority of high-end games won't work. Virtualization will not work for plenty of games. 3D doesn't work through vitrualization.
    5. If you are a complete newbie to Linux, like I am, start off with a LiveCD before installing. These can be downloaded (700 MB might not work well for you) or ordered for a few dollars (just to pay for the CD itself and shipping; the actual software is free). With the LiveCD in your computer's drive, restart your computer and boot off the CD drive. It should let you fool around with the OS without actually having to install it. It simply runs off your RAM, and when you're done, all the data is erased off the RAM.

    Anywho, I would probably say for you, if you can afford it, buy Leopard. It was pretty hard for me to get used to even Ubuntu for a long time. If you're not interested in debugging your own software every one and a half weeks, you should probably stick to Apple so you can go ask one of their (snicker) Geniuses at the Apple Store.
     
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    Hmm, it seems like ubuntu is something I would want to do if I felt like messing around on a computer and tinkering with things, but not what I would want for an everyday OS. I might just have to save up for Leopard and a Mac then. Thanks a lot for the help, and I think I will still try ubuntu if I am able to. Really, the photoshop thing is what made the decision for me. But ubuntu just seems like something that I could like a lot once I got to know it, it's just the getting to know a whole new OS that is the problem.
     
  9. Vinny

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    I would recommend Leopard. I gave linux a whack, and wasn't too pleased.

    I realized, that all I do is use Digsby, PS2/3, Firefox occasionally Word.
     
  10. xxAl Capwnagexx

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    I still want to try ubuntu but I'm not willing to be stuck with it. I'm now taking donations for my mac lOL
     
  11. Nemihara

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    Well, you could always dual boot. That's what I do for Windows and Mac and Linux, and they all get along.
     
  12. HalfBrian

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    I'm not an expert on Linux my any means (and CERTAINLY not Macs), but I think that everything you try has an adjustment period (yes, even Macs are not instantly intuitive).

    Saying that, I think if you can afford a MacBook, go with it.

    But also, I enjoy Ubuntu (I use Vista Ultimate as my main machine, but I also use Ubuntu) and think that most people would like it. The one thing you have to be is committed. The first week or so, you'll be adjusting to the differences, but after that, you'll fall into the familiar routine you have. I assume that you, like most people use your computer for word processing and browsing the web, of which both are easily doable on any OS.

    If you go with Linux, I would definately go with Ubuntu. They have a great support community and it's the easiest to use distro I've tried. (Plus Gnome>KDE)

    You won't get the most you can out of Ubuntu (or any Linux distro), unless you're willing to get your hands a little dusty (not dirty, just dusty). For instance, sometimes you may want to follow a tutorial to modify your desktop in some way. You will (most likely) have to cut and paste commands into the Termianl. It is not a big deal.

    So, in summary:
    -Try Ubuntu using a Live CD (knowing that a real system will be faster)
    -Get a Mac if that's what you want (and can afford)
    -Only use Linux if you can get your hands dusty
    -Know that the initial installation/configuration is the hardest part

    If you go the Ubuntu road but really don't want to deal with the initial installation, go with a pre-configured one from Dell (or any other computer manufacturer that will install Ubuntu for you). For me (on my hardware), installing Ubuntu wasn't hard at all, it "just worked" without installing any extra drivers, etc.

    Sorry for the long message, but I felt I had to backup my ideas with evidence.

    Hope you reach a good decision,
    Brian
     
  13. xxAl Capwnagexx

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    thanks brian, I think I've decided to try and save up for a mac but eventually I will give ubuntu a go. Also fiery thanks for those amazon links. I haven't decided if I'm going to get the older plastic model or the new smexy aluminum. Anyone have the new one and want to post a review?
     
  14. Vinny

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    Why not just use Bootcamp?

    Won't that run it along with Windows? (Someone back me up)
     
  15. xxAl Capwnagexx

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    that was my next question to ask.

    Will ubuntu run with boot camp?

    edit: it looks like it is possible, but takes much more work then windows
     

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