A Valhalla Sans Man Cannons What would Valhalla be like without man cannons? What if Bungie were to mod a Valhalla variant so that it wouldn't have those damn man cannons? They positively could do this, because they were able to make Epilogue and Boundless. Gameplay would be dramatically different on this map variant compared to the default Valhalla. Weapon placement would have to be altered to balance gameplay. Perhaps teleporters would be added to make it more like Blood Gulch. Bungie could also make variants of other maps in such a way. Please visit this Poll on Bungie.net and voice your thoughts on this idea. Link To Bungie.net Thread About Adding More Variants To Matchmaking- Support The Cause!
I know exactly what your saying. And I totally agree. The shield doors didnt bother me much, but Valhalla is just terrible. You want to go into the middle fast so you take the "fast" "non-cheap" man-cannon and get sniped or something. Now a days people dont go off the man-cannon, if theyre smart, and so they basically dont have any use in Valhalla.
You could simply overload the map to rid Valhalla of man cannons. Valhalla is not Blood Gulch/Coagulation. It's its own respective map. If you aren't fond of the man cannon, then don't go over them. Man cannons became very synonimous to Valhalla and they don't detract from its fun.
This is one of my favorite levels actually. The mancannons are the best part of it to me. They dont require you to go through them, so why do you care?
No, you misunderstood. I'm not suggesting replacing Valhalla. I'm just suggesting another Valhalla variant. I am perfectly fine with the current Valhalla and it happens to be one of my favorite Halo 3 maps. I'm just throwing an idea out there and seeing what everybody else thinks about it.
Gotcha, you presented your case much better than Cliff did. The varient could be nice. Id like to see how a different weapon arrangement would work. I felt that the map needed a few weapons/equipment it didnt have, and some of the power weapons were oddly placed.
The side man cannons on Valhalla serve the same purpose as the teleporters on Blood Gulch/Coag. Bungie made a smart decision when they replaced teleporters with man cannons because its less disorienting when learning a map and it reduces the ability to sit at the exit and own anyone coming through the teleport. The front man cannons are what you'd want to block off. You could use receiver nodes and crates to make a backstop that makes the man cannon simply drop you on the floor in front of the base if you wanted.
Well then just those front man cannons could be removed. In the new variant fewer battles would take place at the center of the map.
I don't think that no center mancannons would change that, because that is the high ground and the best place to control.
It would without a doubt change that. Without the mancannons it would take longer to get to the high ground. And keep in mind that the high ground is still exposed to either base. Snipers could easily take out the people at the center. And in sniper matches people wouldn't get killed as they are flying from a mancannon, because there would be no mancannons.
i like the new modded maps like Boundless. if they took the man cannons off of Vanhalla, Narrows, Avalanche AND Guardian, that would be so sick. Also, if they took out the lifts on Construct that would be fun.
to see how its like just overload the map, using the trip mine technique , it disables the man cannons .(it also does this on any level with grave lifts or man cannons)
Taking the mancannons off of Narrows and Avalanche would pretty much kill the maps. Especially narrows. Like, wtf.
I doubt Bungie will remove the mancannons but I'd still like to see a version of Valhalla without them. I've been trying to make an Overloaded map (where you pile the weapons and place objects on them) but I've having a bit of trouble finding the suitable location for the weapon pile. So far the best place is a crack in the rocks by the lake, all the weapons go in and stay in but the radios are basically the largest object which fit in the crack. I've also tried make a floating box (using teleporters to hold it up), then I realised the weapon pile would make the box disappear first and then nothing else will disappear after that because all the weapons will have fallen. Edit: OK, I've done it, I've created an Overloaded Valhalla. The blue airy parts of the cannons are still there but they will not fire you across the map. I'll upload it in a bit. Edit 2: I'm having a few problems, I don't think I'll be able to work around them. Overloading the map seems to have had an effect of gametype objects - there are none. So any gametype that requires a goal or gametype object (Flags, Bombs etc) are out of the question. Other gametypes which usually rely on killing (Slayer, VIP, Juggernaut etc) are fine. 'nother edit: The Map! Valhalla Overloaded Canvas Man Cannons Disabled - Canvas Map Apparently (according to Halo Wiki) there is a chance overloaded maps can freeze your xbox. Use at your own risk. None of the man cannons work... ... but you can still see them The almighty pile of weapons! --- The pile of weapons is within reach if you place hornets or banshees on the map, try to keep your games on the ground. --- I have left quite a lot of weapons, I tried not to use up all of one item. There's roughly 4 of each power weapon (rockets, lasers) and at least 8 of each of the other weapons. --- Valhalla - Overloaded Canvas
I'd be for an extra Valhalla variant, because it would serve the same purpose as Boundless, Sand Tarp or Epilogue: a small, modified change to alter gameplay.
I agree there should be a variant. They could make it more vehicle based and maybe give warthogs shorter respawn? Yeah I think that would work well. And then the snipers couldn't drain your shields or kill you when you go on cannon.
That's exactly the point. My thread on Bungie.net is not going over too well unfortunately. It seems as though most people oppose the idea of variety. But nevertheless, we must all live on.
First off let me say Bungie doesn't 'mod' their own game. They would simply load up Valhalla and take it off. Well take out that simple part. Second, its a vital source of transportation in the map. The map is large, and without that games will be extended, and probably get increasingly boring. Just think off all the instances of when the man cannons have saved you. Just picking up a flag, rushing to the middle, etc. I feel boundless didn't really change the game much. The shield doors were not a key source in the map, besides people using them to their advantage.
Valhalla without man cannons, huh I can hardly imagine that. But i am right now. Without the man cannons valhalla would be a much more tactical and team based map. Tactical: 1. Without the man cannons you have to be a lot more tactical. 2. If you were playing a team based game like CTF and you're in their,have their flag,and the man cannons are gone. What do you do? You have to make a callout to one of your teammate and be like "yo guys i have the flag,uh...in their base...need someone to get me cuz the man cannons are gone." See how you have to make that call out? Without it you would die in there base a failure. 3.Without the man cannons you're going to have to be tactical. Without the man cannons you will realize that if you were to run to where the man cannons usually lead you will die before you get there. But if you were to flank the enemy you A. wouldn't die and B. get a nice kill for your team. Non-Tactical: 1. The stupid people who just think they will live when running to where the man cannon leads will die. 2.The spartan laser will be harder to reach when one team will probaly take a mongoose.
It won't if the spartan laser is removed. "Mod" is short for "modify," and that's what they would do to the map, with their own special editor in which they would simply load up Valhalla and removed the man cannons.