Debate Corporal Punishment: Beat Your Kids! Teach Them Discpline!

Vinny · Oct 16, 2008

As of right now, I am simply stating facts. I am pro Corporal Punishment (it was how I was raised, and I stand behind it) but I am posting facts for both to keep the playing level even.

Wikipedia said:

Corporal punishment is the deliberate infliction of pain intended to punish a person or change his/her behavior.

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Legality of corporal punishment in Europe

██ Corporal punishment prohibited in schools and the home
██ Corporal punishment prohibited in schools only
██ Corporal punishment not prohibited

Wikipedia said:

Corporal punishment in formal settings, such as schools and prisons, is often highly ritualised, sometimes even staged in a highly theatrical manner. To a great extent the spectacle of punishment is intended to act as a deterrent to others and a theatrical approach is one result of this.

One consequence of the ritualised nature of much punishment has been the development of a wide variety of equipment used. Formal punishment often begins with the victim stripped of some or all of their clothing and secured to a piece of furniture, such as a trestle, frame[7] (X-cross), punishment horse or falaka. A variety of implements are then used to inflict blows on the victim. The terms used to describe these are not fixed, varying by country and by context. There are, however, a number of common types which are frequently encountered when reading about corporal punishment. These are:

* The bastinado.
* The rod. A thin, flexible rod is often called a switch.
* The birch, a number of strong, flexible branches, bound together in their natural state.
* The bamboo canes. A durable rattan cane is often called a rattan.
* The paddle, a flat wooden board or leather pad with a handle, with or without holes, spikes, or knobs.
* The strap. A strap with a number of tails at one end is called a tawse in Scotland and northern England.
* The whip. Varieties include the Russian knout and South African sjambok, in addition to the scourge and martinet.
* The cat o' nine tails was a popular implement used in naval discipline.
* The hairbrush and belt are traditionally used in the United States and Great Britain as an implement for domestic spanking.
* The wooden spoon, commonly used in Australia
* The wired clothes hanger, a common and easily available substitute for a bamboo canes in Hong Kong.
* The plimsoll gym shoe in British and Commonwealth schools.
* The ferula, in Jesuit schools, as vividly described in a scene in A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man.

In some instances the victim of punishment is required to prepare the implement which will be used upon them. For instance, sailors were employed in preparing the cat o' nine tails which would be used upon their own back, whilst children were sent to cut a switch or rod.

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Different parts of the anatomy represent different considerations for punishment:

* The buttocks are often targeted for punishment, indeed some languages have a specific word for their chastisement (spanking in English, fessée in French, nalgada in Spanish (both Romanesque words directly derived from the word for buttock)- this is a logical choice for these rather large, fleshy body parts are sensitive without endangering any bodily functions, heal well and relatively fast and have an intimate connotation that implies intense humiliation, often increased as baring them often also exposes the genitals--care must be taken not to hit these accidentally, so protective padding may be used (also for the kidneys) with dangerous implements, even if the spankee is otherwise stark naked
* although lower parts of the back of the legs, notably thighs and calves, are reportedly about as sensitive and no more incapacitating, making them a logical alternative in cultures where a bare bottom is too indecent, they are rarely targeted
* the back and the shoulders are the second most common choice; as long as the spine (paralysis possible) and excessive abuse of the kidneys (irreparable) is avoided, great pain is possible with limited incapacitation and humiliation, suitable for an adult 'honor corps' as often in the military
* the abdomen and the ribs are again rather dangerous for 'accidental' damage, and hence not a common target
* except for deliberate mutilation, the genitalia are rarely targeted, though very sensitive and the most humiliating, for the damage is to hard to control (except with sophisticated modern methods such as electrodes)
* joints (such as knees) are an even more illogical, indeed rather rare choice: no humiliation, grave risk of incapacitation and even permanent damage
* the head is also a dangerous choice, but more popular, especially the cheeks (relatively safe; indeed the same word is used for the bottom: butt-cheeks) and boxing the ears (hearing disability tends to manifest itself years later, so it's often ignored)
* the hand of primates is perhaps evolution's finest product in terms of multifunctionality and precision (hence the notion 'dexterity'), requiring a sophisticated sense of touch; it is quite sensitive and not humiliating, while great force, especially with a hard implement, could cause excessive damage, so usually only the (most fleshy) palm is hit rather than the knuckles, and even then incapacitation (for manual labor and writing as in class) is generally a drawback
* the soles of the feet are extremely sensitive, in se not humiliating, but quite incapacitating for a long time, while full recovery is possible even after an excruciating dose- see falaka

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I will post my debate after first response.

Nitrous · Oct 16, 2008

From a psychological stand point. Positive action, positive reward - Negative action, negative consequence is the most effective at teaching children. However, taken to the extremes of abuse it can be highly detrimental and I feel those children who are given more than a negative consequence should have some form of legal defense. Not as something they would possibly use, but as a deterrent for abusive parents.

I think parents have the best intention, they just don't know when to stop. Slapping a child on the mouth is a good example. At my work a woman came in and did this to a 6 year old girl, which I find unacceptable.

Vinny · Oct 16, 2008

Personally, I feel that Corporal Punishment in Public is the most effective way. It makes you learn to be ashamed of your said behavior and is encouragement to stop.

Eventually as you grow up, it becomes less effective. But if you instill the fear at an early age, it's most definitely an effective method of parenting.

RabidZergling · Oct 16, 2008

You should not learn by fear- to control someone by fear is not to control them at all. They would eventually submit to you, yes, because you establish dominance, but the child doesn't truly learn what is wrong. It is best just to let the consequences drive their actions- better preparation for later in life. Instead of hurting a child for, lets say, whining in the mall, you make them realize that by whining they are doing nothing but reducing their chances of getting what they want. This causes them to think- how can I get what I want? By doing the opposite- being polite and kind. If you beat them, all you show is that whining means you get hurt, and they don't act any better because of it, they just don't act worse either, and don't learn the valuable critical thinking skills that they should.

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