Debate the Big Bang

First, I just think it's ironic he used these reasons to dispute the Big Bang, while the same arguments can be tossed back at him about God.

But given the little evidence we have about the beginning of time, both are equally reasonable theories. For all we know, there could be one supreme being who just came into existence, or matter that combined (also out of nowhere) and exploded to create everything, or time could have been pooped out of a massive man. Nobody knows.

People can believe whatever, and have just as much proof as the opposite argument. But it seems damn near impossible to find a way to travel to the beginning of time and recover some primordial soup and present it as evidence, or go and take some of God's hair and present that as evidence.

God is a more philosophical and faith-based theory and followed by optimistic believers, while the Big Bang is a more suitable theory for our increasingly skeptical youth.

 

It's a well-known fact that the farther away something is in space, the longer it takes for the light to reach us. Therefore, an object 1,000 lightyears away will take 1,000 years for us to see anything happening to it. However, light can be bent by gravity. If there is something with sufficient mass, light will be bent around it into a single point. This point is, incidentally, shows the moment that the Big Bang occurred. We can't see past it anymore, because the light rays being bent into this point can no longer see anything past the Big Bang.

Now, did the Big Bang create the Universe? Instead of answering it directly, I have two possibilities. The first, that the universe has always existed, and always will exist, and that time, energy, and matter are never destroyed, only reused. This idea only works if the term 'infinity' really exists. The second, that all things - time, energy, and matter, as listed previously - all started with a single event. The only problem is that this idea only works if it's also possible to get a positive integer from zero, and that the term 'zero' even exists in the first place.

When I say 'infinity' and 'zero' existing, I mean that if those two terms are practically possible. In mathematics, yes, it is possible to get 'infinity' and 'zero'. Divide three by one or subtract one from one, respectively. But in uses where you are looking at atomic levels, sub-atomic particle levels, sub-atomic-particle particle levels, and everything possible that is lower than that, those two terms cannot exist. (Incidentally, to trip you up even further, we don't know if there is a static number of sub-levels of particles to see what they are made of. It would be nice to assume that there is, but for now, as we can't tell if there is, we'd have to say that there are an infinite amount of sub-levels of particles that exist. )

You cannot have a contaminate-free substance. There is always one tiny atom somewhere. You cannot have zero-heat. There is always some form of energy acting upon the matter being measured causing it to be some tiny fraction of a degree. You cannot have zero-gravity. The force of gravity expands continously, even if the effect of it is low enough to be negligible. Etcetera, etcetera. And yet, there are always exceptions to rules. Around this point, most people say, "**** it", and stop caring to figure out how things work.

 

Does it really sound that crazy to people? It's no more crazy than an all-powerful being whom was always here creating everything, as Christians believe. I always wondered this. If God was always here, and then he made every thing, why would it take him so long? Maybe that does not make sense.

Anyway, when I think of the big bang, I am reminded of this law that states, "Energy can neither be created nor destroyed." Meaning, that there can only be a transfer of energy. So maybe, this couldn't have happened. Or maybe there was always a little bit of energy. It kept growing, though not creating, then exploded, creating this universe.

Also another thing to think about is that now many scientists believe there could be more than 1 universe.

 

Energy cannot be created or destroyed - under normal circumstances. The existence of an omnipotent, all-powerful god, would not be a normal circumstance. Neither would the Big Bang, for that matter.

And yay, the string theory! Not.

 

For which I believe neither are true (as they are said). But, the universe as it is now seems to be a normal circumstance. So why should there be a huge non-normal one? Though, there is evidence about the Big Bang that I think could make it fact.

Here I will make an analogy to show what I think. Pretend you have a balloon. Pretend it is very small. You blow it up and and up. It kepps getting bigger than it pops. This what I think is the big bang. So all the air you blew into the balloon begins to spread. (Gas has no definite volume.) I think, that the universe as no definite volume also. So we keep expanding and expanding like that air from the balloon. The balloon signify what I think is the "growing" of energy I stated in my previous post. The expanding of the universe leaves evidence because we can see that we are getting father away from other galaxies,ect.

 

I am in the belief that we have a cyclical universe. How it started, I don't know. The big bang I think is an occurrence that released energy to fuel the creation of matter by already existing particles. After what is most likely trillions of years, a common theory is that the universe somehow reaches a critical mass and begins to collapse. Perhaps the singularity creates a super-massive black hole (not the Muse album) and proceeds to consume the universe over the course of another trillion or quadrillion years, squishing us to a minute point, which then re-releases all of its energy some time later. The things remaining in this now "empty" space, is dark matter, dark energy, stray quarks, and other subatomic particles (but that's another topic entirely), which can then be influenced to start the cycle over again.

Then again, I believe in a passive, completely non-intrusive God. Maybe when God decided to create the universe, s/he started the cycle of the big bang. Maybe a day in God's time is a trillion years in our time? So maybe Genesis and the Bang are both right, in a way.

 

so this means he believes in Jesus, and Christianity. and all their rules.

nicely said the most open looked post yet witnessed by any non-believer. this has really convicted me and thus, I do to now believe!

(insert note + [/sarcasm] )
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I have a suggestion: how impossible could it be that God created everything by means of the big bang? And if you guys say no, then why not? It IS a means that we do not fully even fathom, but why could he have not done that? Also, evolution, is happening now. I am a Christian. Human beings centuries ago on average, were almost 2 feet shorter!@!@ this, my friends, is a change in a species over time due to circumstances, thus evolution. No, we did not evolve from monkeys. and the skeletons and bones "proving" the different **** phases have been in fact proven that it was a mistake, and they were actually ancient pigs.

I would add links to pigs, but i didn't keep it. However, I will add a link to an article for the LHC [Large Hardon Collider (please no jokes Y_Y) ] it is a massive particle accelerator in Europe, under a ginevian mountain. they plan on using it in may to collide 2 protons, a process normally impossible due to electric negative charge from electrons. what they plan on doing this for is to replicate the circumstances of the big bang. [FTR: best case scenario: it fails, big bang didn't happen, and the particles hit with nothign more than a puff. Worst case scenario: it works, big bang proven, a black hole forms under the mountain]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
hope this hasn't been talked about yet, and sorry about the religion rant XD

"The substructure of the universe regresses infinitely towards smaller and smaller components. Behind atoms we find electrons, and behind electrons quarks. Each layer unraveled reveals new secrets, but also new mysteries."

-- Academician Prokhor Zakharov,
"For I Have Tasted The Fruit"
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"Once a man has changed the relationship between himself and his environment, he cannot return to the blissful ignorance he left. Motion, of necessity, involves a change in perspective."

-- Commissioner Pravin Lal,
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"Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?"

-- Sister Miriam Godwinson,
"But for the Grace of God"
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"Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist."

-- Academician Prokhor Zakharov,
"For I Have Tasted The Fruit

 

Um... E = MCsquared right? Energy = Mass * (Speed of light * Speed of light)... How did that little particle gather enough energy to harness such an explosion?

 

I don't want to go into deep explanations how that means that,,, but basically its how much energy is required to split it. and, once you do split it, it releases that much [ e = mC2 ]

by splitting a few atoms of uranium by launching stray neutrons at it, it makes debris...more spare neutrons. which then go and hit a few atoms, splitting them, which happens over and over. Every time, the release of a relatively large amount of binding energy occurs. Every time over and over until every atom is split. Imagine if you had a pound of Uranium? [in one gram of uranium, there are

238 moles of Uranium. one mole has 6.0221415 × 10^23 atoms. or

602,214,150,000,000,000,000,000 atoms. times that by 238 gives you

1,433,269,677,000,000,000,000,000,000 or roughly one and a half (1.5) octillion atoms being split. In a Gram(g)! ] [Here is a photo visualization of this process]

as of yet, there is no way to contain this released energy but through heat release. thus the giant atomic explosion.

and so came forth the atomic bomb.


now./ imagine a denser, much smaller undiscovered subatomic particles called HIggs Boson that can split EVEN Neutrons? the amount of energy (theoretically) is 10,000 times exponentially more than that released by splitting an atom.

thus, the big bang.

Where is the air coming from that fills the universal balloon?

 

It's not a universal balloon - it's a universal vacuum seal bag. Matter kept compressing until it occupied a single point, which was an astronomical no-no. So, explosion.

The irony with Nemihara's point about gravity is that if an object had enough mass to see this, it would have so much gravity that light couldn't escape from it, and we couldn't see it.

 

which is why we cant "see" the center of the universe. only the darkness and light around it that is outside the range of influence

 

T3H God!
Jk, um, yea IDK, no 1 knows?