Debate Presidental election '08

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  1. ZANDER1994

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    Obama, hmm... I'm just not sure about him. I agree that we need change (because if we don't god knows we'll be in a world of hurt soon), which seems to be his biggest campaign support, but he never exactly states how he is going to do it. Whenever somebody asks him a question, he'll answer in huge paragraphs when the answer could simply be a word or two. After listening to his answer, I'll sometimes just stare blankly at the tv screen and say "huh?". It would be okay if he had a whole paragraph, but then at the end said "so my answer is yes, I would do that" but he never does. I think a lot of people never really ask themselves the question afterwards "So what did I just hear? What will he do?" but instead think wow, I just learned about his childhood and his grandmother, and he used a lot of big words and intelligent phrases and he also said he wants change. Which is true, but not exactly the answer to the question itself in the most direct terms. Another thing is the fact that he wants to basically transfer the money from the middle class to the lower class. The problem with that is you never know who really deserves it. A middle class man may just work REALLY hard, so he makes more money. Maybe he has two jobs, or both him and his wife work. People forget that just because you make more money, does not mean you have it easier. What if some person that is living off of the government is just lazy and doesn't want to get a job? How is that fair? A lot of people act as if they are entitled to other people's money just because they have more, but really, no one is really entitled to anything. If you are born into a poor family and cannot afford college, ok it's right for somebody to help you out, but if you made the decision to not try hard, or work at a factory, than that's your fault not anyone elses. It's sad that many middle class people would actually make MORE money if they didn't make as much money because all these people who think they've earned it take it from them.

    After listening to all of his speeches, it seems Obama is a wild card. He may be the most amazing president we will ever have. He could really turn things around, but I do not know how he will do it, which is a little scary. If I were to vote for him, which I'm not saying I wouldn't, I think I'd be taking a chance.

    Now onto Mcain. Mcain DOES give his answers to questions in very short, to the point responses. The difference between the two candidates styles are very noticeable in the interviews where they were given the same questions. While obama was running out of time, Mcain was flying through the answers and was actually jokingly told to slow down. With Mcain, it's kind of like what you see is what you get, because he answers the question directly. Does that mean that I like what I hear? Not necessarily. About half of his opinions and ideas I do not agree with, but at least I know why he thinks this or that because he explains his view. Most of my disagreements come down to what is more important, which is really just a matter of opinion. He has his opinion, I have mine, but I at least I know what his opinion is. For example, I may think that we should go farther into stem cell research while he feels we should limit it. He'll explain his views, and I may respectfully disagree, because he told me why he believes this. Another thing that has been pointed out over and over to me is that Mcain seems to really be gung ho on going to war. I personally do not like war, and am against it, but feel we have to stay in the war to prevent further wars. I think we should just finish it, and get it over with so we don't have to do it again like we didn't do before. However, I feel voting for him because of this would be a wrong decision. Just because I want to stay in this war, does not mean that I want an overly war crazed president.

    After listening to all of his speeches, McCain is the candidate that I know more of his opinions. However, too many of his opinions I do not agree with to consider him what I want in a president. With him I know what I'm getting, but I don't necessarily like what I'm getting.

    Between the two.
    Obama= A wild card that could be good, could be bad.
    McCain= I know what I'm getting, although half his stuff I don't like.

    I'm not voting because I'm only fourteen, so it's pointless to tell you my decision.
     
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  2. Chipsinabox

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    If you want barely anything to change in this country, vote McCain.
    If you want a lot of things in change in this country, vote Obama.


    McCain:
    -Supported 90% of Bush's policies and bills.
    -Plans to stay in Iraq.
    -Strengthen Military.
    -Looks to drill for more oil, including areas in Alaska.
    -Cut taxes for all (would lead to economic collapse).
    -A possible draft.
    -Keeps playing the POW card at conventions, advertisements, and rallies.


    Obama:
    -Promises major change economically.
    -Tax cuts for lower income families.
    -Tax increases for families with higher incomes.
    -Pull out of Iraq, and eventually the whole middle-east.
    -Abolish dependences on oil.
    -Plans to reverse outsourcing, resulting in more jobs for americans.
    -Introduction of more renewable energy sources (sun, wind, water, geothermal)
    -Wants to conserve ecosystems and their wildlife.



    If you want country first, vote McCain.
    If you want people first, vote Obama.
     
  3. ZANDER1994

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    Cutting taxes for all would not necessarily make the economy collapse, as there is no proof which would help, and obama does not want to tax all families with higher incomes, but mostly middle class. I think middle class give enough to the lower class already, and if you think about it, half those people just don't want to go out and get a job, or decided not to go to college. They are NOT rich people, and have the same problems as the poor. It's not fair to the people who work hard to pay for those who wont. You say the people first, but which people? Those who feel they are entitled to other people's money?
    Your post is clearly bias chipsinabox.
     
  4. Chipsinabox

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    Higher incomes, meaning $250,000 or higher.
     
  5. GoodWhaleSushi

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    'Tis not bias, 'tis just true. I support Obama. Fine, I'm Australian, but I pay enough attention to the happenings in your country to be able to decide, and you can't change my opinion. American10 tried, saying "**** you lil kid, you dont even know about elections so dont talk about elections intil you know everything about economy.So why dont you go and let the big boys decide on who is president." Big man, small ****.
    Yep. Vote Obama.
     
  6. Linubidix

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    Yes, us Aussies know more about the election than some americans do. Its on our news almost every day.
    I support Obama. America is in dire need for change. He's the right man for it I believe that he will live up to what he is claiming.
    I do not support McCain, the man is crazy; no offense. THe man is obsessed with war, its all he knows. War should be used as a very last resort. Going into war at the drop of a dime shows instability and will be very dangerous.
    When asked if they'd be in Iraq for another 50 years he responed with why not 100?

    I sincerely hope Obama gets it.
     
  7. GoodWhaleSushi

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    Definitely. I vote Obama.
    (We talk about the presidential election in schools too! We watched this really touching speech by Obama but unfortunately I was unable to find it on the internet...)
     
  8. Draw the Line

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    To be fair, he was refering to a non military presence in Iraq...the same situation we have with Korea right now. We have troops there, but not in a forceful manner.

    What I find interesting is each candidates VP picks. Obama's pick was to help boost his experience levels in foreign policy and war. McCain seemed to pick his VP for reasons outside of straight politics. My guess is that he's trying to win the undecided womens' vote as well as improve his party's overall image.

    And in response to Zander:
    I agree that Obama hasn't been as forthcoming with details on how he is going to change things. That is for a number of reasons....some of which are good, and some of which are bad.

    Obama may have a plan, but may not want to reveal it to avoid media scrutiny. The less people know, the less they can complain about. Its a good political strategy (technically), but it can sometimes leave us in the dark about important solutions. At the same time it can be very difficult to give a plan to solve something in our ever changing political environment. Something that may be true today may not be tomorrow. So by not being specific he isn't making promises he cannot keep.

    I'm still going to be voting for Obama, and I think the media is starting to turn on McCain. If that's the case, I think the election may be a land slide.
     
  9. rusty eagle

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    I'm voting for McCain this November.
     
  10. Telrad

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    Obama.

    Choosing Mcain is a very stupid move for anyone. Seeing as he picked Palin for VP, tha just shows that he will make one of the worst leaders America has seen.

    Obama has actually picked a good person for VP. Biden covers all his weakneses and Mcains is just simply so stupid that I can't believe he went with it.

    Another thing to note is that chances are, both presidents will die before their term is finished. So, who would you rather have? Biden? Or some crazy psychotic ***** who doesn't even know what her job is?

    Honestly, I don't even see the appeal in Mcain. He's an idiot with some of his choices.
     
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  11. The Sock Man

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    How will Obama die before his term is over? He's not old at all, and seems to be in excellent health.

    Unless you're saying that he'll be such an amazing president that we'll just keep electing him, then yes, he will die before his term is over.

    If I was 18, you can rest assured that Obama would have my vote.
     
  12. Draw the Line

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    If my assumption is correct, then I believe he was inferring that Obama will be assasinated because of his African heritage, while McCain will die of old age....in which case I don't think either would happen.
     
  13. Mr. Moustache

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    When the election began, I laughed at John McCain. It just seemed as if he had no chance against Barrack Obama. To be honest - if McCain is elected president, I will seriously eat the hat on my head. Barrack has so many positive factors working for him, he's running to be the first black president, he is promoting change (against McCain's older ideas) and he relates to a much wider audience.
    I'm somewhat surprised that people are actually taking John McCain seriously.
     
  14. Willmatic

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    I agree, Oboma's security will be much more productive and McCain is doing alright for his age, he can walk and doesn't have alziemers (Yet, and I tried my best to spell it.)

    Very true also on Facebook theres a fanpage for both
    Oboma - 1,636,031 supporters
    McCain - 258,155 supporters

    A president like Oboma will have many voters from our generation for their election.
     
  15. Telrad

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    That's what I was saying and risks are risks.

    If, note the word IF, eitheir dies, their VP takes over. And if Mcain won the election...

    I see that a few are voting for Mcain. Why?
     
  16. Draw the Line

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    Assuming our generation actually votes...
     
  17. AllseeingEntity

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    Updated OP. will add stats and bio for each canidate.
     
  18. idiotninja

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    McCain does have some good points. He was in the Army and some people will take that over an education. Both candidates say they will lower taxes without explaining how they are going to fix the deficit. McCain is against public health care, but I would be too with our debt. I do agree that his VP is almost completely useless. Though she did fight some corruption in Alaska.
     
  19. Randle Scandal

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    Dear Editor, Times-Dispatch:>

    > > 'Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice.
    > On June 30 I celebrate
    > my independence day, and on July 4 I celebrate
    > America's. This year is
    > > special, because it marks the 40th anniversary of my
    > independence.
    >
    > 'On June 30, 1968, I escaped Communist Cuba, and a few
    > months later, I was
    > in the United States to stay. That I happened to arrive in
    > Richmond on
    > Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.

    >
    > 'I've thought a lot about the anniversary this
    > year. The election-year

    > rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what

    > transpired there. In

    > the late 1950s, most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change,
    > and they were
    > right. So when a young leader came along, every Cuban was
    > at least

    > receptive.

    >
    > 'When the young leader spoke eloquently and
    > passionately and denounced the
    > old system, the press fell in love with him. They never
    > questioned who his
    > friends were or what he really believed in. When he said he
    > would help the

    > farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and

    > education to all,
    > everyone followed. When he said he would bring justice and> equality to all,
    > everyone said, 'Praise the Lord.' And when the
    > young leader
    > said, 'I will be for change and I'll bring you

    > change,' everyone yelled,

    > 'Viva Fidel!'
    > > 'But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the
    > executioner's guns
    > went silent, the people's guns had been taken away. By
    > the time everyone was
    > equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By
    > the time everyone
    > received their free education, it was worth nothing. By the
    > time the press

    > noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for

    > him. By the time
    > the change was finally implemented, Cuba had been knocked
    > down a couple of

    > notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was

    > over, more than a
    > million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes.
    > You can call
    > those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world the
    > most fortunate
    > Cubans. And now I'm back to the beginning of my story.
    > > Luckily, we would never fall in America for a young leader
    > who promised
    > change without asking, what change? How will you carry it
    > out? What will it

    > cost America?

    >
    > Would we?
    >
    > Manuel Alvarez, Jr.
    > Sandy Hook

    an e-mail I received, it is very thought provoking, both to Obama, and McCain supporters.

    I'm sorry about the format, I just copy and pasted it.

     
  20. DocMan

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    Obama outlined his idea in his speech at the DNC. He wants to cut taxes for the middle class (the people who actually need it), reinstate the original tax for the rich, and increase taxes on Big Oil and other large companies that Bush cut taxes for in the last few years. Because the oil companies' profits are so ludicrously large, the taxes earned from them will help build up our treasury at a fairly quick pace. Of course, it will take a long time to get us back to zero, let alone in the green from our almost 800 billion dollar deficit (as of the end of 2007. Factors of the economy of 2008 have not been calculated as of yet.). What we need is another economic policy akin to the likes of Bill Clinton. He got us out of the deficit of the first George HW Bush and into a 559 billion dollar surplus.
     

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