Debate Animal Experimentation

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  1. monk sausage

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    Over the years, animal testing has been used to find out two main things.
    1. To find out more about the animal
    2. To see ifnew medicines will affect humans

    I believe this is cruel to animals and they have a right to be treated fairly.

    What are some other opinions on animal testing
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    Animals are routinely cut open, poisoned, and forced to live in barren steel cages for years, although studies show that because of vast physiological variations between species, human reactions to illnesses and drugs are completely different from those of other animals. Today's non-animal research methods are humane, more accurate, less expensive, and less time-consuming than animal experiments, yet change comes slowly and many researchers are unwilling to switch to superior technological advances. Animal experimentation not only is preventing us from learning more relevant information, it continues to harm and kill animals and people every year.
     
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  2. Randal Stevens

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    I agree. But what do we need to know about animals that we need to subject them to these tests? We can learn a lot through dissection of cadavers. Whether that is unethical or not is another story.

    But testing things on animals to learn about how they'll affect humans makes little sense. We are different from them. For example, I learned that dogs are immune to the dangers of E. Coli (or salmonella, don't remember which). But they get sick if they eat chocolate. We have different digestive systems. So any testing on animals will have to be preformed on humans anyway.

    For those of you who have not already seen it, Earthlings is a full length documentary that focuses on the injustice faced by animals. I believe the testing portion is in Part 3.
     
  3. monk sausage

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    I agree with you 100%, people and other animals arent the same inside. An alternate suggestion would be testing on people on deathrow instead of helpless animals
     
  4. ToochieHxC

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    http://youtube.com/watch?v=8yH-r5i-uwc




    i dont even wanna start on this subject.
    it just makes me sick.
     
  5. PondMonkey

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    i don't realy see it as a crual thing because most of the testing being dun now adays isnt hurting the animal and thay are liveing better lives then thay are in the wild with all the food thay need and no need to fear preditors.
     
  6. ToochieHxC

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    yeah you right, its much better then in the wild.


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    and no predators huh? i think you sir, fail to see that we are the predators. you get negative rep for that, sorry.
     
  7. PondMonkey

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    i sayed most. and how do you know thows are recent things thay have dun?
     
  8. ToochieHxC

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    omg look at the quality of the video and pictures? how about do some research. type in 2008 animal testing and see what articles you can come up with. then maybe you wont say dumb things when you don't know much about the subject.
     
  9. Nitrous

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    The footage used in the Peta video was from the 1960's. We only use animal testing in two scenarios, a company does not have enough money for an alternative or white lab mice are infected by the CDC for scientific results.

    The latter is what I approve of. The first can invoke some forms of cruelty but none near the point of the Peta video. Just a heads up, the monkey getting the tube put into his mouth was a result of a Soviet testing experiment to see if a decapitated head could be placed on a new body. The test was somewhat successful. You saw a failure. Which I agree is sad and cruel.

    However, using white lab mice in an attempt to cure disease is imperative. Mapped genome or not, diseases don't cure themselves.
     
  10. Raw King07

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    I'm somewhat indifferent on this issue. Sure it sucks to be the animals that are tested on, but think of the alternatives. I can only think of two, either a product is placed on the market without proper tests and causes thousands of deaths, or the products are tested on humans.

    The first one is absolutely out of the question though, even the best intents can lead to disaster.

    The second one is a matter of how much self-worth you carry and moral judgment. Now as selfish as this sounds, I'd rather an animal be tested on than myself or a family member.
    Also, before you bring up the counter-argument "would you want your pet tested on instead of you?" First of all, I don't keep white mice and monkeys as pets. And second, yes, as much as I love my dog, if one of us had to be tested, I'd rather he die than I.
     

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