Debate Are we Alone?

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  1. Ferretness

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    Mathmatically "Alien" life forms must exist.

    A simple way to illustrate this is that in an unending (or infinite) series of symbols, all patterns must occur. (actually it must occur and infinite amount of times but that is harder to illustrate and not necessary to the thesis) There fore if the probability of type an "A" is say...1 in 26, then when after 26 types you will hjave typed an "A" now, we all know that this doesn't hold up in real life because probability is not certain. EXCEPT over an infirtite timespan.

    Think of it this way. if you type 25 letter the probability of you typeing "A" is the same as you typing one letter, as it is for 400 letters, or ever 1,000,000 (asuuming all letters are equally likelly. Now if you continue typeing for forever no matter how unlikelly the event of typing "A" it must heppen becuase there is a probability of it occuring.

    This can be translated the the universe easily. Sice there is an infinite timespan, and an infinite space, all probabilities must occur, therefore at some point in time humans will contact aliens, while it is not certain that ailiens and humans exist together at this very moment, it is certain that the two have been or will be present in the universe at the same time.

    Sorry if thats hard to follow.
     
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  2. Lone Deity

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    Sigs removed, remember it people!

    I do think we are not alone. It is quite unreasonable not to think so, the universe is quite large. I am not totally sure for "intelligent life". It may just be bacteria like organisms. Who knows?
     
  3. Ferretness

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    no, mathematically intelligent life has to exist too.

    Sorry about the sig.
     
  4. Matty

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    I think the word you were looking for was 'Sentient'


    The universe is constantly expanding. Although we know that there is only so much mass in the universe. Its mass is not increasing, just the distance between everything.

    In my opinion, its proposterous to think that there is no other life in the universe. I see life on Earth as the outcome of a habitable planet, and many planets similar to Earth have already been discovered in and outside our galaxy.

    I also think that there will be more advanced life in the universe. Its quite demeaning to think so, but we are just like a grain of sand on a beach. We are not the center of everything, so it makes sense that Earth will not be home to the most advanced forms of life in the universe.
     
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  5. Soggydoughnuts

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    I am a Christian as well, however I believe that there is life somewhere out there anything is possible the universe is too large for there not to be.

    However I am wondering why you say that you are a Christian conflicts this idea. Please do tell

    -Donuts
     
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  6. SVD Zero

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    I believe that we are not alone, but very distant from anyone or anything else. For instance, our scientists have found new planets on which there could be life, or there might not be anyone or anything there. I believe that our search criteria is far too narrow, and I think it is truly obvious in the discussions about those new planets. We may be searching for an Earth-like planet, and that may be to hard to find.
     
  7. Pigglez

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    I actually just thought of this, but for all we know, our "standards" for a habitual enviornment might be a unique thing. For all we know, or in this case, for all we don't know, other life forms may be able to survive in various conditions. Maybe there is, probably not but who knows, life on Venus, and they are able to live with the sweltering heat. You can't say it's impossible, but what if our standards are too narrow minded for ourselves. Like you said, "An Earth-Like planet may be too hard to find."

    Also, there is the possibility that there was definitely life on other planets at some place in time. Mars for a good example, has shown no signs so far of current life, but definitely of previous life. There are the fact that the polar ice caps on mars are inferred to have been frozen water, and the deserts are possibly oceans that were dried up. Some rocks were found that were in the resemblence of fossils.

    What is possible is that some sort of apocalyptic event happened, such as what I think may be a huge meteor crash, or volcanic eruption, that would have destroyed all life on the planet. Such as the Supervolcano underneath Yellowstone Park would completely wipe out North America and block the sun, causing an Ice Age. So it is possible other life previously existed too.
     
  8. Ferretness

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    Why is everyone ignore thewhole logic based argument? This isnt a "beliefe" issue, there literly has to be life out there. No "if"s "and"s or "but"s.
     
  9. Pigglez

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    Ferret, as much as I'd like to agree, it still hasn't been physically proved, so saying so is wrong.
     
  10. SVD Zero

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    I agree with zstrike, we have no outstanding proof that there has to be intelligent life out there. Sure there are other habitable planets, and there are some uninhabitable planets as well. Like I said before, our search criteria is far too narrow to get any real results. Basically what I'm trying to say is that we are currently looking for another Earth.
     
  11. Pigglez

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    Yes, and theres no way that we will find it. If it is out there, it probably could be too far away to ever see.
     
  12. Ferretness

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    If you mean by sight, than no.

    However that would be like saying, black holes don't exist because we cannot see them. However we can prove they exist by observation of their effects.It is the same with this law, while it cannot be directly proven. By the way the universe functions we can say without a doubt it is correct.
     
  13. Pigglez

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    We have seen black holes, through telescopes and stuff. But that isn't what I'm saying. I'm just saying that until we

    A) Meet an actual extraterrestial being, they're existence hasn't been proven.
     
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  14. doomy

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    I'd just like to share the fact that England and Mexico have had an increasing number of UFO Sightings in the past few months each with some proof lets just hope they don't get in the mood for probing
     
  15. Matty

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    Lets not change the discussion into "Who believes that something has to be physically proven to be true and who doesn't"
     
  16. Ferretness

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    lol ok matty =]
     
  17. Furious D 18

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    You're wrong there. The universe is not limitless, and neither is time. Our universe has a definite boundary and a definite beginning. Also, there is no guarantee that humans will contact aliens at some point in the future. We'll probably be extinct in a few hundred years, because we suck.

    But I agree that the probability for intelligent life elsewhere is very high. I find it conceited for people to say that we are the only intelligent life, and that God created us in his image and as his favorites. It's like when people say "God bless America". I can't imagine a perfect being having a favorite country, race, or species.
     
  18. Ferretness

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    the universe is ever expanding and thus, limitless

    and time has no end, thus limitless
     
  19. J A Y

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    well i personally dont believe in aliens or people just like us that live out there. i dont have any proof of this nor is there proof that there is something else out there. so this really is just another opinion topic.

    but if official proof comes out i will let everyone that believes there is something out there kick me in the balls.

    what i do believe is that there is living organisms like germs and plants on other planets, but not living things like people
     
  20. David 118

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    Just the sheer size of the universe makes me say no we are not alone because that would just be ridiculas! Even though i know that the fact that this planet can support life is thoasands of lucky coincidences another planet must have had the same!
     

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