Mutant

Pretty solid layout but the texturing on the objects is really ugly. A lot of the buildings faces have so much going on and that's going to blow when it comes to competitive gameplay as that's what I see this map playing best. You probably could have used a lot of different pieces to improve the texturing as it looks real cluttered. Ill edit this though after I have some feedback on the gameplay.

 

Design is incredibly intriguing, but as Rage said, the textures look really muddled. I feel like this map is visually punching me in the face. A lot. If you could find a way to make this more smoothly, I'd be interested to see it. That being said, it looks like it could be fun to run around on, and I'm getting a San Vitale feeling from this, which I really love.

 

Awesome. This map has to be good with so many people working on it. I cant wait to try it. If you need help on your next map, I would be happy to join this group of forgers. I just posted a conversation about this. What a coincidence.

 

Your right, it is very difficult. I find that things look a lot better if you have lines pointing the same way, continue lines for as long as you can and avoid overlapping textures. For example, in the last image, you have the wall single overlapping the texture of the two inclines and the inclines merged into the floor of the building. In this situation, it would look a lot better to use a pieces that is 3 units high. With the 5x1 pieces, you have one placed vertically and two places horizontally, they kind of clash which is what Audience is getting at with "visually punching him in the face" (lol). Just try and use less pieces in a more cohesive way. Find interesting ways for pieces to fit together using different combinations of 1, 2, 3 and 4 units.

That's my $0.02 in terms of aesthetics. No comment on gameplay/layout.

 

Yeah, I understand what you mean on the aesthetics (I'm an art major at university), but outright ignoring them is pretty bad in practice, I'd say.

As for the actual gameplay (you know, the important part), I'll come back and leave some feedback if I can find time to get a game on this. I'm sure it plays rather well considering the people involved in this project, it's one hell of a list too. Until then, I don't see any glaring issues.

 

I do know that Eww Your Skinny was an amazing forger in Reach. So yeah, gameplay is promising.

 

The map looks like it needs a lot more dance floor and for players to actually feel comfortable in a shoot out. To me, it just seems like a lot routes going that just lead to more routes and the whole thing looks very confusing and not very easy on the eyes. I would suggest more areas/rooms. It just seems like a very rough concept that needs to be cleaned up quite a bit.

 

Actually there are many routes. Also your forging needs to be cleaned up significantly when it comes to the flooring as when im walking along almost every piece of flooring is bumpy and ruins gameplay particularly the ramp at blue tower. That needs to be adressed as it breaks the flow of gameplay and gets frustrating. Secondly, the map is visually too busy, and as rage says it looks very competitive focused so all the more reason to watch the textures of the pieces you're using.

 

Best map Designers? That is a fairly big assumption. I think you're just praising your own map to get views. Yes address the bumpiness and also the fairly random layout gets people very confused and would take a very long time to get used to. when you spawn it takes quite a while to orient yourself and understand where you are.

 

Arc, you will meet the same fate as Darkling did from your thread if you continue to post in this thread. If you two want to go at it, do it somewhere else.

 

There's nothing wrong with a lot of routes, to me though, it just seems like that all it is is a bunch of interconnected routes and no solid 'areas.' I walked around on the map and that's how I stand about it. There is no solid rules when it comes to level design so no one is absolutely right or wrong. I understand you made the map for Team Throwdown and whenever it comes to very competitive map design ideas, guardian and lockout are always the first thing to come to mind. It's cool that you think you were the first one to think of making a map based on those two, but by now that horse has been beaten to absolute death. Two, this map could of been forged cleaner while still keeping the same layout. You said you don't care about aesthetics but why add the antennas, rocks, capture plates, etc. to make it look like you actually made an attempt? To me, they make it worse with no caring about aesthetics you shouldn't of added those and cleaned up the map quite a bit so players can understand the geometry and layout of the map a lot better. The map is very hard to look at and is quite distracting when trying to understand it as lines are going every which way and routes are going at a bunch of weird angles.

Also don't sell your map by saying it is in one of the top spots for throwdown. There's usually only like a few active hundred players in that gametype and forging is dead anyways. Not to many people even forge in Halo 4 anymore as you can see all forge sites are pretty much dead with not very many active members so your competition is really thin, especially for Team Throwdown. Saying 'Mutant' was the first inspired Guardian/Lockout map is an assumption being that there is no way to actually track that and makes no sense when even you said it was never finished. I'm sure there were plenty of forgers with the same thought process about level design that never finished or begun production on such a map. Originality is much more impressive while inspiration simply states you liked something and wanted to create close to the same thing and it is. To me I'd rather play the originals than play a mocked down forged version of it.

Also saying the map is 'light years' ahead of it's time is quite hilarious, I'm sure you meant that to be a joke. There are a quite a few maps that people have thought up that would prove the forge in any halo no match for them. It seems to me like your trying to come off as a professional map maker but making maps in Halo forge is nothing short of very amateur. It's cool that a lot of people helped forge this thing but stuff like that I would of not announced it like it was something special b/c it's simply not. From that many people with a lot of experience making maps in forge I would of expected more.

It's ok if you disagree with anyone's feedback on here but you're opinions are not greater than anyone else here. I made the same mistake when I first showed up here during Halo 3. When it all boils down to it, your an amateur designer making an amateur map in a dumb'ed down map maker designed for even kids to be able to make a playable map and posting it on a forge website with nothing but a bunch of other amateurs giving you feedback.

 

I'd like to see this newest version. I really like the layout a lot but just like others mentioned, this could look 10 times better with different piece usage but that's not a huge deal. I was wondering why you used so many trait zones for the jump pad instead of just 1 bigger one? Also not a big deal but it could of saved budget and I couldn't figure out the reason. I love the jump pad though in all honesty. It's a great map but i will say you come off quite bold to say its the best asym competitive map, no matter how you word it. It's a great map though. I've decided to start making my maps with the weapon spawns instead of the ordnance drops again. I'm also trying to join THC but it's taking forever to get accepted by the admin :/

 

Wow that looks amazing, I love the choice of forging it in the fog and using rocks as well. Very aesthetically pleasing.

 

Looks 10 times better on Forge Island. I just wanted to ask why remove the jump pad? I thought it was pretty cool.