I'm pretty disappointed with the selection of the new forged maps. In my opinion, only two out of six of them are good. It is letdown to the forging community when the lot of us spend so much time creating and testing great maps, and 343i picks the bad ones. Even with the Heavy Task, 2 out of the 3 forge world maps could barely even play in matchmaking. One has the lightspeed glitch and the other had terrible frame rate issues. Here is a link to the bulletin on Waypoint. Here is a thread at the Waypoint Forums with a map montage, screenshots etc...
I'll carbon copy my post from Blueprint to this.... This is just effin disappointing... Not a single one of these maps deserved to make the cut IMO. The best maps of this submission got tossed to the side.... Sad. I'm gonna call it right now and blame CC's for pushing maps that didn't deserve to be pushed. And I appoogize for bringing hearsay into this, but I heard that the CC's had to vote on the maps to help decide this one. Sadly, there's a genuine lack of active Cartagraphers with an intuitive understanding of competitive game/map design. :/ From my extensive game-history stalking, I had narrowed down the list the CC's were looking at to the following: Cornerstone* Imago Midtown* Refuge Crypt Despair Plaza* Fenris Temple (Tempest)* Ellul Cygnus Pulse Unconquered Anthem Midas With the top 8 being the obvious superior maps, I can't imagine how this update went in favor of the bottom tier of the selection. I'm just disappointed.... Congrats to Fritz, KBO and Atlas all the same... Redemption can eat **** and die though.
Now that I'm over the fact that my map didn't make it, the new maps may be better than no new maps added... I thought they would choose more competitive maps than the ones that they chose...
It's always disappointing to see these kinds of threads, especially when it's comments from your friends. We all spent a long time working on these maps and testing all the maps including Crypt and Despair. We gave our feedback and tried to help everyone who submitted maps. 343 decided on the maps they did, but this in no way diminishes the quality of your maps. Try to be happy for your friends, because we'll be there next time you forge a map to test and give feedback. Atlas @ iFamousFilms I've uploaded all the maps to my fileshare. Just do a fileshare search for AtlasIsShruggin
Yeah, you're absolutely right Atlas. We did spend a lot of time with these maps, but know that I do like Unconquered a lot. I created the thread to inform people what the new maps were, but my disappointment came off too heavily. I just feel like there are better maps out there...
Let us all remember that having a map in matchmaking does not determine the quality of it. This is better than the previous selection of maps from the Cartographers, but they still need to be replaced with people who would do a better job choosing maps. Forge is dead, play TRIALS!
Grats to those who got their map into MM. I guess you should be proud? Yeah...probably. Idk...Nicely done.
i still don't understand how overdoz1z is still living and breathing ... i was surprised that midas made it with the ghost. Its a fun map, but im thinking that will open the door for more vehicles in team slayer?
Are those the latest versions? Like all the weapon placements are the same that are going into MatchMaking?
Unconqured is definitely a good enough map I'd say. Not my cup of tea, but I suppose I prefer it to the rest that got in... Gratz Atlas. I don't care for Midas all too much though. I don't like Pulse, Ellul, Temple or Imago one bit though. Really wish Fenris, Crypt, Cornerstone and Despair had made it. :/
I'm kinda surprised at the selection that made it in too. Looks like they're trending toward variation in aesthetics. I was expecting them to focus more on performance after the whole heavies debacle. Regardless, congrats to those who made it in, and thanks to all involved. I appreciate all the work everyone has been doing to improve my MM experience. Definitely looking forward to stomping some randys on these beautiful new maps.
Forge is indeed dead. Once I'm done putting some polish on my newest map, I'll be retiring from Reach and waiting for Halo 4. I think we can all agree that, personal discrepancies aside, Pulse has absolutely no place in MM. Badly made lift? Check. Random fusion coils? Check. Structurally unsound architecture and bland, expected layout? Check. Imago's layout is perhaps the only one with an even more simplistic layout, but at least that one is built well. Pulse looks like a Forger's 3rd attempt at making a map. You know, the map you build when you've finally gotten the hang of how to actually make a decent map, but still don't quite know what you're doing so you build something incredibly simple and safe. I really feel that on the symmetrical maps, the CC's and 343i dropped the ball. Crypt was an original map that would have given MM the room-based map it needs while still retaining the inherent balance a symmetrical map provides. I know the CC's told some people what changes needed to be made to help their chances at getting it. It is unfortunate that you didn't get that same opportunity to quickly throw something in the middle room for cover since that sounds like it was the main issue for these casuals. What's funny though is it doesn't need it...the LoS viewing that area are quite limited most of the time and the RvR of using that path to more quickly access other areas is plain. Clearly the CCs only know how to look for casual slayer maps and haven't an ounce of competitive blood in them. What it comes down to is standing your ground and knowing that, through a whole lot more testing than they did, your decision was the right one and not letting them influence a design that works the way it is. Congrats to everyone, except the person who made Pulse, on getting your maps into MM!
While these may not be the greatest choices, we can only hope that they are finally getting rid of Enclosed, Synapse, Asylum and every BTB map.
Refuge didn't make the cut, so we won't be seeing a replacement to Asylum. To me, this is ridiculous and sounds like 343i didn't want to trod on Bungie's legacy by removing the map and placing a far better variant in its place. Or maybe they thought the casual players would complain about having the map revamped and re-balanced. Apparently Synapse is a popular map when it comes to voting and is likely to stay. How anyone can like that piece of **** is beyond me. So unbalanced, boring, and, well, shitacular.