Unconquered (CE Inspired)

This room is a death trap. Of course you can have long sightlines, but not as wide and simple as this. The cover is absolutely useless. The long lines of sight in the CE maps are limited by technical cover, whereas the only cover in this map is the lazy cover from the bunkers. You only have one way out when in one of the gaps, you're predictable, and it is also very easy to throw nades to clean up kills.

It really needs to be more complex and deep.

There's not even any reason to go there. No reward for the risk.

 

Exactly. There are some long LoS in H:CE maps, but usually not this wide. The only time you see a long, wide LoS is when two sections do not directly connect to each other.

There was some sketchy connection and awkward spawns that I could help you with. GT The Xzample

I hope you stick to H:CE style maps, because this one has some great features and your maps will only get better in time.

 

i like this map. its very clean and the aesthetics are just right. gameplay seems balanced enough, so you got my download. does kinda feel like a halo ce map

 

sweet map man, really well laid out, and i like the originality and the detail put in it. good to see someone who also has been inspired by the halo CE maps, they are classics. i want to get a game going sometime with my mates on this map.

 

This is definetly a diffrent map from you. I am in awe at the skill you transitioned here. The ease with which you blocked off the sections in the Damnation style of map is great. In defense of the sight lines and open areas is the simple fact of map flow. The hallway people are complaining about has to be this open. I played three 4v4 games on this with my friends (Slayer and CTF) and the hallway is always the overflow/ flank route. This is true for both teams. If you simply look at the pics I can see the confusion but the fact that it has a dropdown at one end with a quick exit route makes it very simple for red to see if it can go that way. As well the midpoint opening makes it hard for Blue to simply camp it because anyone with simple nade skills can cause a retrograde on that side.... Play the map its flow is great. ATLAS hit me up on your next playtest

 

You're forgehubbers, though. You don't usually do setups and you usually don't use control points to your advantage that much. It's an obvious flaw, easy to spot for competitive players.

I know the atrium with the platforms and OS, on Dammy, is wide and big, but sightlines to it are still restricted. There is no area that has a completely open view of it, appart from Sniper bridge and low snipe, which are both weak positions, easily rayped by people in other places. Also, those lines of sight aren't completely straight, which would be boring, and is boring in that one hallway of your map.

It's not the same thing.

It's like the difference between calling your best friend a fat, stupid pig, and calling some sensitive girl in your class the same. Just because it works in one of the occasions, with certain circumstances, it doesn't neccesarily have to work in the other.

 

Congrats on winning a favorite! I played a couple games on this the other day and everyone had good things to say. I really like what you did with the area to the right in the first picture. That window fits the footpaths well. anyways congrats again -Tom

 

Damnation's "pit" was the focal point of the map, meaning that it can be seen from all angles. Having a long, straight LoS down a long, straight hallway provides stale battles, especially if they have minimal strafing room and few exit routes.

As I said before, a LoS that long and narrow is only acceptable if the two furthest points of view do not directly connect to each other.

Not to sound rude, but if they hated the idea...it's because they don't know any better.

And you didn't even ask me how to solve the problem, so how could they hate the idea, when you don't even know the solution?


As for the connection, it seems to be the most significant issue on the map. You have jump ups and 45 degree ramps that are placed only due to lack of forseeing how much room you need to provide a smooth connection.

 

Not commenting on the layout, but just concerns I have for screenlag.

Your object use is great when it comes to aesthetic appeal and tidiness, but you have lots of objects with lights that don't actually need to be there. The main piece I'm getting at is the 2x2 ramp, steeps. I would suggest to NEVER use those as walls. I can completely understand when you make a smooth corner connecting two 2x2 tall's for example. But as a wall, use a ramp bridge, large and rotate it at either a 27, 63, 117, or 153 degree angle (whichever one lines it up as a wall/floor) and place those there instead. You have around 10 of those objects and they all have a light on them, and they can easily be replaced to reduce possible screenlag.

Secondly, I think I recall seeing a bridge, large or a bridge, XL being used as a simple wall, which that object has several lights on them. That can be replaced by lots of objects, which I would suggest a 2x4 block, 3x3 short (backside), or 1x2's.

Lastly, this one is obvious, but you have those orange lights that should go IMO. As good as it looks, I would suggest removing them to improve the map's compatibility. It also doesn't help having both lights when they are in the same spot.

I realize the aesthetic touches you have on here, but those 2x2 steep ramps can easily go as well as the bridge, large, but I noticed screenlag in forge mode. I realize that in forge it's more likely, but I'm just letting you know that possibilities of screenlag are still there, especially with nades exploding and other chaotic gameplay going on.

But it's all up to you. It's a nice layout, keep it up

 

This is an amazing map, the best I've seen from you so far. I'm very pleased to have been a part of the testing process (I guess we can't all be remembered, lol ).

As for those of you criticizing the hallway, I've played a few dozen games on this map and it plays fine. Even some of us 'Forgehubbers' actually play competively so don't let your ego's get too overblown. Negative feedback can be useful, and its not to say that this map is perfect but it has been through a rather rigorous and painstaking process, I know because I was there to witness a good bit of it. It's easy to judge a great piece of work harshly, a lot harder to create one.

Atlas I believe you have built a simple, solid, playable map with high replay value. I would love to see this one in matchmaking.

 

I know a lot of forgehubbers play competitively.

Don't assume I have an ego because I'm from MLG.

I'm sure the creator put a lot of time into it, most forgers do, but that has no impact on my view of the map.

If you post a map, you should be prepared for feedback. If there is an area for improvement, I will comment on it. Regardless of if my feedback is harsh or not, if it is logical, the creator should be thankful that I pointed out a problematic area so they can improve the map.

You should want your map to be the best it possibly can, not "good enough".

 

This map reminds me a ton of the Halo: CE style. Halo: CE featured very diverse features, including varying spaces of open and closed environments, even within the same map, which is something you do very well here. And the whole point of it being asymmetrical is also a great touch. All that feel of playing on an older-type map is really nostalgic. I really wished that there were more people that were inspired to make something from CE. Nice work!

 

"Unconquered" - YouTube