I find that every time I build a map I don't like putting covenant/plasma weapons and vehicles on it. I don't know why but in my mind they just don't fit in. I'm gonna try and add some to the BTB map I'm working on though. Maybe it will turn out better with some covenant guns.
Like everything, they have their place. I know what you mean. They don't seem realistic like a DMR or sniper. But if you ever make an Invasion map, then they are critical for cohesion. Elites should only have Elite arms spawn on their side of the map, and Spartans should only have Spartan weapons spawn on their side. Invasion is Elite v Spartan, and the weaponry is a part of that theme.
I love the elite weapons. The Focus Rifle is the most powerful gun in the game when used properly, the Concussion Rifle not only does damage but blinds your opponent and pushes him away, the Plasma Launcher is BALLIN', the Plasma Pistol is unbeatable, the Plasma Repeater is better than the AR for taking down shields, and the Ghost is my favorite vehicle of all. Of course, I love the human weapons just as much <3
I feel they are just not good for competitive play style. So it takes a lot for me to add any too my maps because I personally don't like using them. But when it comes down to it, I usually get an outsiders opinion or if any weapons feel right for the map when I do fiesta testing, then I add them.
NOT good for Competitive play? Do you call Snipers and Rockets competitive?! I always sustitute them by the less overpowered Focus Rifle and Plasma Launcher.
I'm sure that's just his personal opinion. No need to call him out for it. I'm not a big fan of Covenant weapons when it comes to choosing power weapons on my maps. I always have atleast one UNSC power weapon on my maps. However I always throw some Covenant weapons down on my maps to please players.
The plasma pistol is incredibly underrated. It can take down someone's shield in under a second, even without a charge. That's very tactical in close-quarters. Focus-rifle is good at nearly all ranges. Needler is deadly at mid-range, and plasma launcher is magical against vehicles. Needle Rifle is self-explanatory. I could see excluding everything else, but those are the big ones, at least to me.
Did you just call Snipers not competitive?! Regardless, no he didnt in any way, he just said that Covvie are less competitive in his eyes (a misconception, probably because this game is so spartan heavy that he never really got a chance to use them and get good with them.)
Plasma weapons have a place on any map. They balance out a map, without them it would be DMR, Needle Rifle or Sniper battles all the time. It hard to make a map with a weapon setup that you dont like sometimes. For example all I use is DMR or Sniper. I would be more than happy with just them on a map but other people will not like it at all. Its always a good idea to get a fair and even balance between both UNSC and Covie weapons but also between different classes of weapons too.
It's just my opinion bud. The rockets and sniper in reach are both easier to use than any other halo too (again, in my opinion) so honestly, I feel the whole game took a step down in competitive gaming. EDIT: If you didn't know. I kind of hate reach. XD Even though I'm still quite good at it. I've gotten good with all of them with the little I've used all the guns. I can deal and be good with with anything you hand me, that's not the problem. It just seems to be a lot slower paced and casual to use the covie weapon? I'm not sure exactly how to explain well enough that you see what I'm thinking. The green gun is the only one I like using all the time in my maps. great team assist gun. For the others, It's just hard for me. I loved the crabine and beam rifle in the other halos for competitive play. but the replacements just don't do it for me. The needle rifle I love using but it just feels like a slow paced gun? I hope you slightly can accept how I feel about these. It's just my opinion anyway. I do whats best for my maps whether I like them or not.
I never use covie weapons in mm The plasma pistol is good the AR still kills faster than the plasma repeater because the pr slows down too much the needler is way to op needle rifle is good, but the DMR is better imo (it is close, depends how good you are at headshots) concussion rifle is just not my thing on a forge map though, always a pp, a needle rifle and maybe a pr never needlers cuz they're so cheap in my eyes and the focus rifle I never really touched, but it is better at closer ranges than the sniper the frg is awesome though, it is even better than the rocket launcher in spire you can just kill everybody that comes up the lifts if you have it up top
Covenant weapons are a necessity for me. I understand how people may not like them, as they're not hitscan, and they might feel awkward to people who never stray from the UNSC arsenal. However, they are part of the core Halo mechanics. Since CE, it's always been this: -UNSC Weapons > Covenant Weapons VS Health. -Covenant Weapons > UNSC Weapons VS Shields. -UNSC Weapons require reloading. -Covenant Weapons overheat. I think it's important to at least offer the players of your map the tactical decision of whether they want to do more damage to your Health or Shields. I'm not saying you have to, but I like having the option. To me, Halo is about using the right weapon for the right situation, and the Covenant weapons fit a broad niche that no UNSC weapons can fill. You say the sniper and rockets are easier to use and detract from the competitiveness. So why the dislike for the Covenant weapons? You should welcome them with open arms. Covenant weapons are much more challenging and in my opinion take a lot more skill. The Rocket Launcher? Just point and shoot, and the splash damage will do the rest. The Plasma Launcher you have to concentrate on your opponents for several seconds, and even then the bolts are fairly easy to evade. Plus the bolts can be stuck to surfaces for tactical use. The Sniper Rifle? Aim at the right spot for one fraction of a second. With the Focus Rifle, you have to maintain that aim. Just my argument for the Covie weapons.
I just don't like them. Then again, I just don't like playing reach. I understand what you mean and that is why I take it all into consideration when I am forging a map. Point nicely made. Though I wouldn't say they take more skill to use either. The all are sort of dimmed down. I'm not sure why. Probably a little different hit boxes etc tec. Could be anything. All in all, I personally feel that the covie weapons aren't quite as competitive for the most part. With the acceptation of the plasma pistol and needleryfle of that feeling.
I agree with most of what you guys are saying. I think I don't like adding Plasma Weapons to my maps because I just don't like them anymore (I used to). I'll take note of what you guys said. I'm going to add some to the new BTB map I'm making, because right now it's just DMR's, 2 snipers, 2 shotguns, and a rocket. I'm planning on making it have DMR's, some NR's, the snipers I'll probably replace with focus rifles so they aren't too overpowered, and the rocket i'm replacing with a plasma launcher. That should add some variety and hopefully make it more fun to play!
Just out of curiousity, what is everyones' opinions on some of the other weapons (the ones that rarley, if ever, show up in MP) ie. Spiker, Plasma Rifle, Splazor,etc.
for btb the needler is less op dont feel pressured to use covenant weapons if unsc weapons work better that said, don't only use unsc when covenant weapons work as good or better don't replace the snipers unless the map is small, i think I read somewhere you are making a map at least. 1/2 as large as hemorrhage, so that doesnt apply really definately put nrs on for variety from dmrs but also throw in some pps fot emping vehicles just my opinion
The Spiker and Plasma Rifle are pretty much the same in this game, and they both outclass the Plasma Repeater in close quarters combat. However, the Plasma Repeater is still useful since it's more accurate when burst firing at long range, and if you don't vent it it becomes much easier to clean up a kill with the super small reticule. The Splaser is boss, and although it's not as good as the Sniper Rifle in infantry maps it can be great on maps with long lines of sight. In vehicle maps it's also great, for obvious reasons, although you have to be a good shot to get it to work in this game.
Try a Plasma Rifle out. It blows a shield away extremely fast. You just have to fire for one second, get close, and pummel your enemy to death. If used well, a Plasma Rifle can give you more Close-Quarters Kills than a Shotgun.
I dont know about them not being good for an competitive play style the Needle rifle and plasma pistol are excelent weapons for competitive play. i always have some covy weapons on my maps.