Why does Bungie have the right to ban you from playing a game or ever playing live again? No I'm not posting this because I got banned, you can even check my service record. But I dont think its right. After you spend like 60 or more dollars for the game you should be able to do whatever you want with it like modding. And if someone mods their rank on a game it just shows that they can't get that rank without modding. I mean if it gets too far as to where people are modding a game so much thet they can literally go into a matchmaking session and automatically have all the kills than I can see a right for banning. But other than stuff like that I dont see a real reason for it. Am I the only one who thinks this or does anyone agree?
Modding is tampering with a copyrighted code which is federally illegal. I think. DONT ASK ME IM NOT A LAWYER THATS MY GUESS!!!
You have no rights. Play nice. And how would you like it if you put a couple of years of effort into a product just to have people mod and abuse it? Not to mention that it's a violation of the XBL Terms of Service
You buy the offline game, sure, but Bungie continually offers you the service of being able to play online (done through your Xbox LIVE Gold membership). And remember, any business has the right to deny you service.
Because you may own YOUR game, but it is THEIR IP. Also, it may be on YOUR xbox and tv, but it's utilizing THEIR servers. Its like this, say you have a yard. You let the kids in your neighborhood play in your yard. One day a kid is bad and hits another kid. You ban him from your yard. Do you have that right? Or lets go ever further and say the kids pay you to play in your yard. You still ban the bad kid yes? So lets take the yard and say thats Bungie's servers. Now replace the kids with use gamers. Hmmmm.... Its legal, its fair, its just.
They have the right and I am glad they don't let people go around modding, they took the time to make reach, it disrespectful to take that thing they worked so long on and modify it and bend it to your liking. If you want to mod, buy a game that the makers let you mod.
No. It's not. You own the product, you can do whatever you want to it. This. By pressing the "I Agree" button, you accept a contract with Microsoft. One of the paragraphs of this contract detail in modifying your hardware or software and it clearly states that your account will be suspended (banned) indefinitely for performing such acts. They have every right to ban modders/hackers because they're deliberately going against the contract they agreed to.
I'm all for people modding offline. Go crazy. But I'm totally against them bringing it online, and I'm kind of glad Halo 3/Reach modding never really took off (more like isn't easily accessible to idiots), because I don't want to deal with another Halo 2-esque incident when modding took off for that. Oh god. I'm fine with Bungie reserving the right to ban you. Just don't do anything you're not supposed to be doing and you'll be fine.
Sorry Biker dude but...Your the only one who thinks of this. Modding is disrespectful to the creators, a disgrace to the game (if the modder(s) make fun of it) and downright wrong! If you don't like the game, don't mod it, make your own game, the one that you like, other than that then "Bungie has rights, Play nice" any one agree? sya " I "
None of what you just said is the reason why modding is bannable. Disrespectful to the creators? Sorry but that's senseless. That's like saying that tuning up a car is disrespectful to the manufacturer. As for your other points, a game doesn't have feelings, so modding can't hurt said feelings, and there's nothing 'downright wrong' about it in the slightest. I have no moral or logical objection to modding per se, I loved the Octagon 1v1 gametype in H3 which required modding for instant respawns. Did this hurt anyone? Not at all. Did it help people enjoy the game in a different way in a private, custom game scenario? Yes. Modding can bring extra things to a game which the creators did not include, and as people have said you have bought the game itself and should be able to do whatever you want with it. EXCEPT to the point where your actions infringe upon others' rights to enjoy the game they, in turn, paid for. This is where modding on XBL comes in, not only is it against the ToS of XBL to mod games, but from a logical standpoint it is not just a choice made only by you which only affects you. Modding in MM can ruin the game for others, and basically serves no other purpose than to do this, to make it more fun for the modder at the cost of others. The reasons that this is a bannable offence are logical and practical rather than directly moral or principled against modding itself. There's absolutely no reason to get all high and mighty about this issue, not only is it senseless and missing the point, but it clouds the issue and causes partisan points of view on both sides. People who mod and people who don't should logically be able to agree that changing the game for your own purposes is fine, but ruining it for others and breaking a legal contract in the form of the ToS is not ok.
I think that offline modding should be allowed, just because it encourages creativity and longevity of product use. You bought the game, you should have the right to do with it what you wish....until it begins affecting others. It's only because it affects others that you shouldn't be able to mod your game online.
Agreed completely. However, I don't know of anything specifically stopping you modding offline. I don't know of anyone who ever got banned for playing modded gametypes/maps etc, only for hosting them on their Fileshares which, once again, is online and part of Bungie's domain, even using their hosting, so fair enough imo. A bit annoying since it makes spreading interesting mods much harder, but I can see their reasoning.
^ Well I'd consider yourself lucky that it isn't even a remote possibility, then. I think the ToS states that breaking it can result in the service being revoked. I'm no expert in contractual law, but I'd be pretty damn surprised if: A) MS were even bothered to pursue breach of contract to a legal stage, considering the prohibitive cost and time involved in a completely pointless endeavour. B) It were even possible to take someone to court over such a breach of contract C) The presiding official didn't laugh MS out of court for trying to sue someone (most likely a child or very young adult) over something so petty and insignificant when they can just, as the ToS states, revoke service and solve the problem.
Completely wrong in respect to offline modding. Bungie has made it clear that they don't care about modding offline. They only get pissed when people mod to cheat the system, and cheat people out of their gameplay experience. Or upload porn into their fileshare.. If anything modders have more respect for the game, because they can see how everything is structured in the game, giving the creators credit where credit would originally be overlooked. I would be flattered if people appreciated my game to the point where they wanted to create custom content for it, especially before Forge. I mod but I don't hate Halo, nor do I hate Bungie. I would never mod to gain an advantage over anyone else. It's just a creative outlet. I have no idea how to create my own game, nor do I feel the need to. Why would I create my own game, then mod said game? That makes no sense, I could just implement whatever I wanted into it, diminishing the need to mod entirely. I'm gonna have to say nay.
I Agree, nay indeed. In actuality...Microsoft probably can't take most of their subscribers to court. How many people do you know actually have an adult over 18 vouch for their xbox live account? In the United States, a child cannot sign a contract, and therefor bungie nor microsoft cannot take anyone under 18 to court. It's a protection law to stop the exploitation of children.
Well as stated before, they would never actually go that far. The only reason anyone gets arrested in correlation to modding is if they've opened up a business where they mod people's consoles for them. That's when things get super srs. Their acceptable use policy only really entitles them the right to ban you from XBL.
Well no ****. It's like beer.. Alcohol used to be in the Constitution. But since everybody was doin' dem, they took it out. Which is why I said that. I'm am being GRATEFUL for one of the very FEW times in my life. Let me be so. It's called suing the parents. Then the parents lose their children because court does not think they can legally handle them.