Why do we not get a bigger canvas?

in terms of terrain sculpting, I had sort of an idea for that... imagine a large ball, sort of a bubble sheild, that pushes away the ground where it is placed so that you can walk into the resulting hole. H3s software could do it. It would basically be an inside out ball that displays a texture based on what its placed on (ground, metal or water) the only issue would be that you would fall in a hole and die because of the underground insta-kill zone. that could be also sort of circumvented by making an object thats just a giant hill of grass. Set it anywhere on the map and then put the hole on it to create a cave.

 

Oh I agree completely. The entire upper hill above blood gulch looked very promising the first 5 minutes I got on forge, only to find out that youre now allowed up there! But honestly I would rather see an increase of spending limit and various building blocks, OBJECTS! There are so few cosmetic objects in Forge World which is very sad. ALSO, not having the ability to use ANYTHING from the structure group on any map but forge world... WTF?! Thanks Bungie, I look at a map like Spire and think "OH YOU COULD MAKE AN AWESOME INFECTION MAP ON HERE! Oh wait, no structures group... How am I going to spend ~8k just by placing scenery, a few barriers/teleporters/shield walls. FAIL.

 

As much as I'm upset about not being able to forge in the waterfall, it's completely understandable why they've added killbarriers to it.

It's unprofessional.

What do I mean by that? Simple, take a wall collesium, place it as close to the barrier as possible at the top. It passes clean through the waterfall and breaks it. Go under the wall, the waterfall is completely unaffected.

The reason bungie blocked and tried to prevent any items passing through it is simple. It looks crap. It doesn't look professional. It doesnt look like it's natural.
The waterfall itself looks beautiful until you start messing around with it so it's there as just an aestethic piece. It's there for people to look at and think "this island looks beautiful".

If bungie were to make the waterfall interactable... Forge world would probably be the side of the island, and the lagoon and that's about it. It takes a helluva lot of resources to render water as individual particles that could bounce off a surface, and could be stopped.

As much as it would be nice to create our own waterfall maps and manipulate the falling water into shapes we want, it's just not realistic within the games engine.

 

Stevo, yes that makes 100% sense. However, It is nice to have options (even as unreasonable as it may be). People who would come upon the same conclusion that you just did would know better than to have water falling through objects in a map. People who dont think that way would just go about their way wasting time attempting to make maps that other people would play.

However, there are other possibilites. For example, why not make an enclosed map (with ceilings) along side the cliff wall directly beneath the waterfall. The water would fall through the ceiling and floor, right? Well what if you were to add some objects to the ceiling and/or floor so it seems that the falling water is the result of a man made cosmetic addition to the structure being played in (much like a big fountain or man made waterfall).

Thats the only issue I have with developers enforcing restrictions like that, it limits the potential of anyone using that system. Personally, I think they should have removed limits like that and just see what people come up with. Sure, there will be some stupid people making ugly maps with water falling through tanks on floating single 4x4 flat blocks. But their lack of design capabilities, creativeness or logical reason allows them to misuse any tool, object, building area, objectives etc. regardless of how well restrictions are used to keep a professional look among all creations used with such program.

Increasing option availability does 2 things. 1) Increase the potential for mind blowing maps by the right minds. 2) Increase the potential of how horrible a map can turn out. Any way you look at it, horrible maps will be made. Applying restrictions in this case, hinder possible positive outcome more than possible negative outcome.

 

Understood Nex, I felt the same way when I first discovered it was pointless them blocking it to keep professionalism up. However, as much variation as you think may come from the water fall, there isn't a lot to create in reality. The only thing i could think of making using the waterfall, was an indoor one that went from the roof, to the floor. Other than that, there's not alternating directional flow so you're entirely restricted from the waterfall not being interactive. Another thing that may have been worthwhile creating was a rock pool at the base of the waterfall and placing a grid beneath the water's surface and making a room behind the waterfall. Other than both those ideas.... what else could someone create?

 

The only things I was unhappy with forgeworld about, were the limits to two lights, the very small selection of items in the scenery category, and individual item limit in general (on my map, I used all the building blocks, and wanted more)

But seriously no one has gotten to the point of why those other parts of the map are there. They are there to provide the awesome backround scenery that makes forgeworld beautiful. They simply do not have the resolution comparable to the playable parts of forgeworld, because they were only meant to be seen from a distance. You may ask, then why did they need to make them actual area? Well because if they didn't the outside the map scenery would just look horrible, like a crappy flash animation game.

 

they are undetailed polygons that are being used as scenery and are not very taxing on the engine, they are similar to the sky box.
Also I am not a ps3 fanboy, I am just saying that the 360 has bad hardware, but in comparison the ps3 has worse.

 

I am glad you were being sarcastic when you were asking for your tools. I would have to laugh at you if you honestly thought Bungie had not given us new tools.

Rotation snap? Object phasing? Gametype labels? Delete all? Precise coordinate nudging?

There are your tools.

We can do almost anything we could on sandbox and we can do it better now. Ascetics are simplified, game options are massive and complex. Seriously. Go make a three tiered game of Invasion right now and tell me you could have done that on Sandbox.

People just like to complain. Sure, there are some negatives, but overall I'd have to say Forge 2.0 is more than twice as powerful as Forge 1.0, math be damned.

A huge flat surface could be useful, yes. But then people would complain that the terrain is boring.

 

You're entitled to feel disappointed. And I'm entitled to disagree. Whenever we are shown something by anyone, it is for the purpose of selling a product. What we saw may have been embellished. Though I would say monitor mode is rather close to a flying vehicle, IMO. I think the key to being happy with what we got is being a skeptic. I took the forge vidoc with a grain of salt (ie, finding about object category limits, less teleporters and movable objects). When I got my hands on Forgeworld, therefore, I was prepared for its faults. Part of this was being prepared for a good amount of it not being actually playable. Thus, having already accepted what one might call 'shortcomings', I could best appreciate what it did right.

While it would be nice to have all that area to use, I stand by Bungie's reasoning that it was a matter of loading times and system power. Almost the same reason you can't forge Firefight maps.

 

i'm pretty happy with what we got, i only wish there was a heavily forested area to forge in. There's never been a map with that kind of setting in halo (that i know of)

also, the fact that we can only place two lights sucks. i'm making a multi team grifball game, i wanted to have a blue, red, orange and green light at once.... not possible.

 

I would like to see more maps with full tag lists. We can really only create a map in forge world. There are so many other possibilities on the other maps. It sucks that Bungie gives us a taste of cool things, but not the whole cake.

 

This thread makes me sick.

 

One solution to solve all problems. If Bungie makes it possible to change textures on the atmosphere or vista and the ground, as well as modify terrain, there would be no need for to expand space