Was AVATAR that great?

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  1. desert elite

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    I think it was awesome saw it in regular 3d. But now if its still out I want to see it in IMAX 3d now that would be epic
     
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    I saw it in X-D as well. The way it was described to me I thought the screen was bigger but still did not disappoint me. I don't know about your theatre but in mine everything got replaced, the seats, the arm rest, everything. There was a showing of the book of eli in X-D at mine but it showed only at 10:45 pm so had to see it at 3:35 D:. I really wish I had seen it in X-D that I enjoyed it so much... Anyways I am going off topic. I liked the movie a lot personally, the plot was predictable, but the realistic feel of everything is what made me like it the most I think. However, I saw it a 2nd time because my sister hadn't seen it yet and it was horrible. Boring whenever you know the plot of an already predictable movie.
     
  3. Wood Wonk

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    simple, predictable plot. shallow, underdeveloped characters.
    but it does look amazing.
     
  4. RedNeck

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    I thought the movie was absolutely amazing. The story line was the best story line I've seen in a movie in some time, and the graphics where the best I've seen for a movie, especially for being a CGI planet with such a complex wilderness.

    If I had to complain about something, it'd be the way they entered the climax. They had three months, then randomly the bulldozer lands outside of the most spiritual place for the Na'vi (which whats-her-face and Jake happen to be at the time) and runs right over it...and the fighting begins. They could have definitely made that better.
     
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    Fantastic effects, a must-see in 3-D. It may have a predictable plot, but the big battle at the end is epic!
     
  6. Undead Fanatic

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    It is Fern Gully in 3D. Now that I got that out of the way, It was a lot better than I thought it would be, it wasn't head exploding good but it was still a very good movie and it kept me entertained throughout the experience. The 3D was a nice bonus and I stole the glasses but my eyes hurt after a while. Also it was sold out for 6 weeks straight here. What about you guys?
     
  7. stouf761

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    Not to sound like a total douche, but are you serious? Best story line? You must not see many movies, and the ones you do see must be grayscale silent shrot films.
     
  8. Grif

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    It was one of the better stories, but not the best.

    Anyway nothing is true, everything is permitted. Which means **** you. I have no idea where I'm going with this.
     
  9. Okage4

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    The point of this movie isn't to have the best ****ing story that there ever was, get over it already. Sure, it IS predictable, I won't deny that. We all got it already, though. You don't have to repeat the same thing the person before you posted just in different words. The point of this movie was to create an amazing and extremely appealing world that you could completely immerse yourself into and forget about the real world for once.

    THAT is why everyone, including myself, thinks that Avatar was such an amazing movie. Sometimes it's nice to just go somewhere else. Frankly, anyone that thinks this was a horrible movie just because the story wasn't up to their "high-end" standards and completely ignores the immersion factor is a snob.
     
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  10. Youtuber

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    Finally someone says something I have been trying to get into words forever. This is exactly how I feel about the movie, I was completely immersed in this world of epic proportions, all the way untill the end. When it did in fact end, I remember myself thinking, "wait, have I been watching a movie for the past two hours?"
     
  11. Grif

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    Yes thank you for putting it well.
     
  12. X5

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    There's two sides to that coin. Sure, the effects ARE top of the end, I won't deny that. We all got it already, though. You don't have to repeat the same thing the person before you posted just in different words. We accept that the point of this movie was to create an amazing and extremely appealing world that you could completely immerse yourself into and forget about the real world for once.

    THAT is why we, including myself, are not telling you to stop liking it. Sometimes it's nice to just go somewhere else, some people clearly need the vacation. Frankly, though, anyone that considers this the greatest movie of all time and force its worth down other people's throats, even when it isn't up to their "personal taste", is an ass.
     
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  13. Grif

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    The only people who I think have got it wrong are those who say it is ****. Those people are either trolls doing it to piss people off or haven't seen it and are basically trolls.
     
  14. Nemihara

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    Cameron truly is a genius at capturing the attention of his intended audience.

    I don't particularly approve.


    Here's how Avatar works. You make the good characters one-dimensionally good, the evil characters one-dimensionally evil, throw in a love story between two people that goes against social norms in the time of the movie, and add in tragedy. Remind you of anything?

    It starts with a 'T'.



    The problem here is that this formula works. Otherwise, Cameron wouldn't be successful and we would have hated Titanic and Avatar for their banality. Don't you wonder why more established film critics usually rate box office-topping movies low? To give an example, don't you wonder why Rotten Tomatoes gave Transformers 2 a 20% score, even though it has earned over $835 million dollars worldwide?

    The average moviegoer watches movies because the embedded story in books are too complex and subtle for them to understand. They don't want to have to spend time figuring out the intricacies in the plot. They want someone else to tell the story for them.

    So the more the movie shoves everything into the audience's face, the better. If its plot is predictable to the point where one could guess the entire story based off of the trailer, then all the more money to the director.


    Of course, someone's going to say, "Well, Avatar wasn't about the storyline! It was about the special effects!"

    Oh really? You mean to tell me that 'the best movie ever' is simply a technical demo?


    Cameron has learned this lesson well. In Avatar, we have a plot ripped open for even the most dense of the audience to be able to understand with the unearned pride of doing so. We have an overabundant, razzmatazz use of firework-CGI visuals to enrapture and dazzle the viewers eyes, replacing the imagery of vivid storytelling. This is the legacy of Titanic, fully upon us. This is what anyone who saw Transformers 2 - and liked it - is furthering.



    Granted, I don't think that it's necessary to be able to decipher the movie in order to enjoy them. Film is an art, and all art is necessarily viewable to all audiences. However, I do feel that with the end of that last decade, Avatar has closed the curtains on the great film epics of the past era and ushers in movies where having stereotypical characters, predictable plots, and superfluous special effects is considered a good thing.
     
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  15. Iv0rY Snak3

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    Oh yeah, 'cause every planet (that actually seemed to be a moon to me) has floating mountains with normal gravity around them... and it can't be that whole network thing they were talking about because they are floating, suspended, and thus, not connected. I would've liked an answer to that rather than just some random void reasoning thrown in just for the hell of it... Otherwise yeah, pretty good, but one of my lenses was scratched on the 3D glasses which kinda ruined it for me, oh well it was still worth it.
     
  16. X5

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    This.

    fllr.
     
  17. Insane54

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    Very nice assessment Nemi. I saw the movie last night, I have to say I enjoyed the special effects, but in a way it was mind-numbingly predictable and dumbed-down. However, it was definitely a movie experience. If anything, this was the first movie I saw in 3D that hasn't been overly headache inducing and novelty-ridden. Cameron used the 3D to improve the movie feel, not to throw stuff 2 inches in front of your nose. Bad plot, characters, etc....very nice effects. Worth watching, IMO, but nothing super special.

    Also, I think the people that are calling this movie all that good are absolutely ridiculous. It's not realistic at all, he uses such stereotypical good/bad sides, along with the whole world, every twist, every character being entirely predictable. I really didn't feel as immersed into a realistic world (mind you, realistic doesn't mean visually. I mean mentally) as I do in other movies, and even well-done games like Mass Effect beat it out in terms of realistic and fully thought out worlds.

    Again, though, definitely a movie experience. It's the future of 3D.
     
  18. Bubba Doongai

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    The reason I think there's a divide on this issue is because there are two types of movie goers. The ones who keep their brains running at full capacity and the others who kind of... turn their brain off.

    People who turn their brains off aren't really bothered too much by cliche or not fully believable characters, they just let themselves become immersed in the world of the film.

    People who keep their brains running at full capacity probably ask questions to themselves, challenging aspects of the movie whilst watching it. I prefer to turn my brain off, I enjoy myself more that way.

    That's the best way I could put it, sorry if that doesn't make sense.
     
  19. Insane54

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    I get you. I don't necessarily question "this should have happened" or "that was too unrealistic". Instead, I'm thinking I guess more about the world that you're supposed to be in. How well does it just...immerse you? For instance, Star Wars has one of best - if not the best - worlds in my mind. It's just wonderfully done. On the other hand, I never really liked Star Trek. It was always like "lets throw another ridiculous idea at them! How about ---- that we'd never heard about before, but we'll just put it in because it sounds cool!". If that makes sense :p
     
  20. Grif

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    Oh ****, I forgot about that. No the mountains were not connected to the intelligence in the planet.

    I really like the universe in the movie not the story. I would really like to visit that planet (well moon really).

    And yes I do see that this is not the best story, I do see the flaws but I still like it.
     

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