i have played the game and have played this mission several times. i personally agree that gamers as a whole don't truly care for civilians (seeing as their stupid asses get in the way all of the time!) but i also agree that this could upset a few people.... *cough*Jack Thompson*cough* i think the real reason some people get wound up about it, is because this sort of thing has happened in our time and they get frightened by the fact this exact type of event has happened already before (in real life.) I think the reason people dont get wound up about it in GTA is because that game the civilian AI dont really show too much fear, they just go ahhh, no. and they also fight back.
the thing is if that were to happen I would do anything to save others even if it was to give them another precious second, some might, well maybe, or not to try to have at least a group of people to flee the airport. and maybe I am retarded maybe I am stupid, and blah blah blah I have had to much insults aimed towards me to care. hmm would you probably risk your life........ probably not but I would.
i know you think you would now. we would all like to think we would. but if it happened. you wouldnt. none of us would.
I didn't really like the mission. I appreciate what it does for the plot, but the mission could have easily been less brutal yet just as effective by, say, planting explosives in a Russian office building. Also, this.
first of all yes I would, and I'm not trying to be a douche trying to act.... tough, cool and try to act brave but not really, they try to act brave but fail. So maybe I would maybe I wouldn't. but you don't know that.
well since 911 is what you call when theres an emergency, if there were no people on the other end, there would be tons of deaths due to fires and medical problems. if you meant 9/11, the no without people it wouldnt be sad people would just say. ooo i really liked looking at the building from my hotel window.
IMO, people really need to grow up and not take things so literally. Some religions would find this level an excuse to lash back, but even the Quran states that winning over discussions can be done peacefully. Now, most Russians obviously aren't Muslims, but you get the idea. The video game is fictional; no stereotypes and accusations were involved in the development of the level.
Another 9/11? ok if that happened people will just get even sadder cause thinking of people dyeing wouldn't be pleasant , just think of it a bomb going of in another office building, people getting blown up and then the building would catch fire, then people on the upper floors will get burned alive, then people on the streets will be watching in horror, I think that would have a greater effect to gamers then the airport mission, wouldn't you think?
Than 4 heavily armed, tactially prepared gunmen storming through an Airport gunning down thousands of people face to face? I think that is much more horrifying. I think with the 9/11 topic you are looking to deeply. There are thousands of travesties that you could compare this to.
Well people have different opinions for me another 9/11 is more horrifying, because what if you were in the building I'd rather be shot then burned.
****'s sake, I was just providing an example! Point being, if you were to blow up some landmark, you don't have to watch the victims suffer. The building explodes and everyone inside is presumed dead. Hundreds dying? Of course that's terrible. But it's not as brutal as shooting hundreds in cold blood and watching them die at your feet.
Actually, I think the parallel to 9/11 in the opening mission is more out of line than the airport scene. I don't think the point of the mission was to invoke intense feelings, but rather to show the scope of the human heart. How many people skipped the mission or let curiosity get the better of them? You're curiosity was rewarded with the brutal massacre of civilians. How many people shot civilians as they crawled away or helped another civilian? Did you hear the screams and the cries for mercy? Those sounds were real enough. They may have been made in a studio, but the emotion is still there and yet, you drained bullet after bullet anyways. But, you didn't really think about it did you? You just thought this is sooo messed up, how could Infinity Ward do this??? Nah my friend, how could you do this? That's a message.
i disagree. you can watch a video of the planes crashing on 9/11. you dont see anything. some people might get teary eyed and such. but you dont know what happened in there. sure, you can speculate. but my point is, though it was in a video game, you were actually watching the people get killed and crawling away, etc. so if it was a cut scene in a bdieo game of a bomb going off in an office, it would be a lot less powerful then that level. Just like if you were viewing a tape of what happened in that level, only it were real. so basically the happenings of the level are more powerful because you can see the people dying. (IMO)
I just recently played the level at a friends house. Afterwords, I felt a huge amount of guilt for killing all of those innocent people. I play GTA IV every day and basically run to the streets and mow people down just for kicks, but the way that 'No Russian' was executed, it really made an impact on me and it personally changed my perspective on certain things about video games. For one, it made me realize that games can be more than just a simple source of entertainment. Before now, no game has ever left a huge emotional impact on me or made me feel guilty for doing something within the game. It made me want to actually kill the person in charge in leading the assault. No Russian also upped the ante for stories in games and how close to a movie, or even how realistic in general they can be. Sure, it may be offensive, but you get to warnings that tell you that it may be offensive and graphic so it's your fault for playing it (or your fault if you let your children play it, which I highly suggest you don't let them.) Despite how disturbing it may be, its actually a beautiful scene. The way the people move, the way the terrorists move, the way everything felt as real as it did made me believe that something like this could indeed happen. I put myself into the shoes of the person I was playing as and felt like I was there. I felt guilty for killing innocent people the first time around, I felt emotional over a video game. To answer the question, no. I do not think that 'No Russian' is out of line. I don't think that at all. It has a purpose, and that purpose is to fuel the story and leave an emotional crater inside you so that you will hopefully think twice about the way you think of video games as not just mindless, time wasting things. So far, I have yet to see any video game pull off the kind of thing that Infinity Ward has done with this game. I will most definitely play this level again when I buy the game. However, I will more than likely refrain from killing any civilian the second time around. Also, as a final note: I wouldn't let any child under the mental age of 17 play this level. It might give troubled children the feeling that it would be okay to mimic this mission in their own school or something like that. Kids have done things that they saw in video games in the past (take the kid who committed suicide by accident after playing Halo and trying to recreate it with a real gun, for example.) I'm not saying that all kids would automatically go pick up an M4, rush into their school and start mowing own children. I'm just saying that there are people out there that would do something like that because they saw it in a video game. As long as they are smart enough and intelligent enough to be able to clarify the difference between real life and a game, they're fine I guess.
Every single person in this thread says that this was the most emotional level in any video game, yet when I played it I didn't feel guilty at all. o.o
I felt nothing, but i still praised it for trying to put that feeling into me. I payed £40 (really i payed £10, but everyone else probably did), i don't want to watch this game happen, i want to be as involved as physically possible.
Exactly the point, millions of people felt no sense of sympathy, do you know what this means. This will provoke terrorism of some sort, mindlessly shooting soldiers or monsters is nothing compared to a civilian. A civilian only wants to get with his life and live it by working like an honest man. You've just killed hundreds of them in a game. This is sadistically cruel and should not have been added because you felt nothing at all... This left no impact to thousands upon thousands. HELL I've heard people praise the level for how fun it was at school. Point is cut the crap about it being "Emotional" because it's not. Just some stupid **** the developers put in for extra sales.