Is the level in Call of Duty Moder Warfare 2 entitled 'No Russian' where you kill civilians in an airport out of line?
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I thought the mission was fun.... It really showed off the new death animations in the game quite well. Plus it was pretty fun once the SWAT showed up. I would have liked it more if the had been more of a goal besides just moving down everything although I liked spraying and breaking everything :]. I felt like a street gangster shooting from the hip into the targets in a resturant.
yeah. i i like the idea of. its not like you were a terrorist anyway. you were doing it to save lives. i would say more but i dont want to get yelled at.
@mods: I think this thread has some value. The other one is more of a general question - should games be able to have unacceptable objectives - while this one is picking a specific scene and asking if it is over the top or not. I think the scene does exactly what it is supposed to do. It is supposed to shock you, to make you question what is going on, and to repulse you in real life. It's an extremely good way to set up the events for the rest of the game, to show the player what he is fighting against and give them a clear enemy.
I had a real problem with it. It didn't leave me to the point of crying or anything, but I can see anyone even a little younger than me being extremely disturbed by it. The fact that there are people desperately crawling away for their lives and people dragging other injured people away to safety and you are just killing them mercilessly, that made it go too far. It's just straight up inhumane. I am very glad that Infinity Ward put the option before the game even started to skip the level.
Ok I didn't get any emotional change from this mission but when I played it I felt joy and despair but mostly despair, and also I thought this mission was pretty cheesy because theres tons of people in the airport why didn't the try to tackle you or something? or maybe take an officers gun and shoot at you? or if they had a pocket knife go stealth and kill you and the other guys off, I know I know you can't have a pocket knife in an airport but what if you snuck it in or maybe the detectors wasn't working and you snuck by. but still.
... If you saw a gang of guys with huge automatic guns in your airport/school, would you try 'tackling' them? And the pocket knife idea is also equally impossible. Movies aren't real life, people. There's so much of a difference. I'm not saying this is the same, but doing another one of those stupid tackling or pocketknife routines would kill the game. It was extremely well done, and very disturbing IMO. If I play it again I'll probably skip the scene. Not that I didn't like how it was done, but I thought it was pretty disturbing and since I've already played it, no reason to play it again. Was extremely realistic and I would never let any kids under the M rating play it if it was up to me, but that's me.
You trying to be funny or something? Anyway, my opinion is that I didn't find anything disturbing with the scene, especially when killing has been part of gaming since the start. What I find more interesting is that it brings the question to society at just what point do humans say, "Okay, that kill wasn't disturbing and that one was." There have been gorier kills in gaming and there has been a greater number of kills in a similar time frame. The special thing it seems is that these people are in an airport, are unarmed and are civilians, with apparently human reactions. Why is it that these kills are bringing about the questions if it went too far when if it were soldiers, it would of been okay. And if it were soldiers, a lot more people would declare that moment a crowning moment of awesome in the game. Aren't soldiers human? Terrorists? I think the reaction to this scene speaks a lot more about society then anything has in a while.
ok, the metal detectors were working because when you walk through them they go off in the game. also, like insane said, you wouldnt tackle them. and if you personally would, youre mentally retarded. they only thing that i can say about the people being dumb in this section is i saw several people that were down, trying to crawl away. i wouldve just laid and pretend to be dead. but that would ruin it, beccasue i suppose some people like watching those ai struggle to get away. and telrad, people think the way they do because other soldiers, and terrorist espcially, are trying to take lives. they are trying to kill other people. but civilians on the other hand, are just trying to go on with their lives. while i see it as a good tactic in war (not to sound sick or anything) to do things like this, to strike fear into enemy nations. but i can understand some people being disturbed, as a civilian themselves, to play through a level where theyre killing innocent people. its not as to if soldiers are humans, its as to innocence. but again, as i just said, it is indeed a game.
The idea that in todays world an experience like that is 'out of line' is pure lunacy and only displays a lack of intelligence. Anything you hear from the media about this matter is a scapegoat to gain viewers, as the unknowing of gaming culture (parents) are always easy to fall into the trap of fearing what they don't understand. The level serves as one of the first moments in post-modern gaming history where a plot-line actually involves you in the motives toward what you do. There are so many games where you are told 'kill these dudes, they are bad' but what is exponentially better is giving you the choice. At no other point in the entire game do you see any other character do something which you would associate with 'bad'. You are left to make your own choice.
aahhh. very clever. if only that statement had a point, or anything to do with what the other posters have said. I dont think this is out of line. i liked it, but i CAN see where others might not think of it the way i do.
No, I'm being completely serious. It reminded me of my Friday night because I PLAYED it on Friday night. Anyway, I don't have any problem with them including this level. If you don't like it, don't play it. You have the option. People like what they like; there's no reason to try and limit them from doing it in a manner that doesn't harm other real people.
ahh. anyway, this level did do a wonderful job at giving you a reason to kill the supposed "baddies".