Stealin' Your Flags

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Map Description

  1. RPAL
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    On New Year's Day 2011 I released what would become the most successful map of my forge career--today I am pleased to be sharing a new version of that very same minigame for Halo 5.



    *I am going to go into a lot of detail below. You can skip it all by scrolling down to the gold download section if you want to get your spartan straight into the action*

    Prelude & Objective:
    The objective of Stealin' Your Flags is very simple: two teams rotate between capturing flags via mongoose or defending the flags using rocket turrets. The team with the most captures over the course of the four round game (sides switch every 3 minutes) is declared the winner. That may seem like it would have been easy to remake over the years, but replicating the gametype itself has been a major problem because the original minigame used Stockpile. Halo 4 didn't have the tools I needed to recreate it properly--although Zandril eventually found a way do so successfully--and neither did the Master Chief Collection. I knew that I was never going to remake the map if I didn't have the ability to do the original justice, and without the proper settings or gametype it seemed like that day would never come.

    I didn't think Halo 5 was going to be any different until earlier this year when I joined a random Spartan Company and was subsequently invited to help test a map made by one of its members. He said that his map was inspired by a minigame from Halo: Reach that involved mongooses capturing flags and defenders shooting rockets. When I saw the effort someone else put into bringing back something I created six years ago I became determined to figure out a way to make everything work. After a few weeks of testing potential workarounds for every issue, I figured out a way to recreate the minigame using scripts; five months of work followed before I completed the version of Stealin' Your Flags that you see today.

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    The new version of the base (left) compared to the original from Halo: Reach (right).

    The Current Iteration:
    The majority of the map has been completely re-imagined for Halo 5. Although part of me wanted to keep everything true to the original, I knew that the map was going to play differently so I decided to give the map a refresh and modernize the experience. Those who played on the original map will know that the playable area was essentially the entire valley of Forge World due to the limited Halo: Reach object budget; that area now has an even mixture of both open spaces and narrow paths for the flag runners to navigate through. I also decided to shorten the length of the map to decrease the amount of safe travel time required to and from the capture point.

    Changes to the base structure include the addition of two more rocket turrets--bringing the total number up to 10. This effectively increases the number of options available to stop the attackers from capturing flags, making communication between defenders more important than ever before because each of the turrets have their own advantages and disadvantages. The outermost turrets, for example, can shoot the front entrance of the base but are generally restricted to covering the opposite side of the playable area due to their angle.


    One of the other things that I really wanted to do was find a way to differentiate the first two rounds from the final two rounds. I came up with the doors that open the pathways to the decks fairly early on and I think they have been an amazing addition to the map. The last two rounds play differently as less and less people exiting the base at the same time or in the same direction. All of these types of changes present new challenges for both the defenders and the attackers.

    [​IMG]Fun Fact: It is exactly 1,000 in-game units from the flag spawn to the flag capture point.

    The Scripting:
    The scripting was a real pain in the behind to get working properly. One of the biggest issues I faced when trying to recreate the map was the inability to use the game's built-in rounds; using them would mean that the defending team could at best only ever achieve a draw as they do not have access to the flags. That meant that I needed to create four rounds of three minutes with triggers that would fire off sequentially exactly when the round ends. Everything had to be in a specific order with one part firing off directly after another or else the game would miss something during the swap. Here is a simplified version of what is happening every three minutes during the game:

    1. Round Timer Ends
    2. Colors Switch
    3. Despawn the teleporter in the spawn room of new defending team.
    4. Spawn teleporters and receiver to send new defenders into their spawn room. Despawn mongooses to instantly respawn remaining players. Despawn teleporters quickly thereafter.
    5. Spawn teleporters in the base & spawn room of the new attacking team. Despawn rocket turrets. This sends all of the players who were defending to their pelican pad. Despawn those teleporters quickly thereafter.
    6. Open door of the new defending team's spawn room so they can access the rocket turrets.
    7. New Round Begins

    All of this has to happen as close to instantaneously as possible because I was not willing to settle for any delays between the rounds. The game is supposed to be fast-paced and any down time from the action takes away from the excitement.

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    ----> HOW TO DOWNLOAD <----
    There are a few extra steps that you will need to take if you would like to play on the map in Halo 5, so please follow all of the instructions very carefully and do not skip any that are
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    1) READ CAREFULLY:

    I ask that you please BOOKMARK both the map and the gametype instead of saving new copies so that I can instantly push any potential changes your way. This minigame requires highly optimized settings to function properly and both the map and the gametype have broken several times in the past. Let me know if you think something isn't working so I can investigate.

    IF for whatever reason
    you need to make a copy of either file, please remove it from being visible in the content browser--lets try to limit the number of both modified and outdated versions from showing up so other people won't accidentally save broken files. Please remember that I cannot push updates to fix the files if you decide to go this route; you'll have to check back here to get them working again.

    2) CHECK THE VERSION NUMBERS:
    I will change the version number in the description every time I have to modify the two files. If you save a copy of either file, please subscribe to this map thread to receive a notification when I release an update.

    The Current Versions:
    Map - 1.1
    Gametype - 1.0
    3) BOOKMARK THE MAP:
    You can download the map online through Halo Waypoint or through the in-game content browser by searching for either "Stealin' Your Flags" or my gamertag. Here is the link to download the map online:


    4) BOOKMARK THE GAMETYPE:
    The gametype is REQUIRED to play on the map--as in it will not work without it.

    The gametype is called "In Your Base". There is only one way of getting the gametype and that is through the in-game content browser by searching for my gamertag: RPAL.
    This is due to a glitch where variants of Neutral Flag do not appear online at Halo Waypoint, so it is impossible to find it on there. I'll update this thread with a link if that problem ever gets
    resolved.

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Recent Reviews

  1. Pat Sounds Pat Sounds
    9/5,
    I'm not one to give out a lot of reviews, and let it be known that I'm not familiar with the original version in Reach, but I felt compelled to give this one a review because it is just that good and deserves a high rating. It's cleanly forged, the game type works perfectly and above all it's a hell of a lot of fun. I've played it several times in different lobbies and it's probably my favorite mini-game at the moment. I love the map and game type names too...Classic. Good job dude.

Discussion

  1. Gabotron ES

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    Very nice RPAL
     
  2. Zandril

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    Remade it first gg kid

    For real though, this looks niiiiice. Gonna save it a spot in my lobby this weekend

    EDIT: Did you forget the gametype download link?

    EDIT EDIT: Either waypoint's dumb or you have no gametypes in your file share at all.
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  3. RPAL

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    There is a glitch associated with the Anvil's Legacy update that is preventing variants of Neutral Flag from appearing online in the Waypoint browser. I tried to mention this everywhere I posted the map and I made a thread on Waypoint asking them to fix it. It's out of my control and sadly I doubt it will ever be fixed. :(

    The gametype is in both my files and my bookmarks--you just have to grab it in-game. I look forward to hearing what you think!
     
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  4. Zandril

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    Played this in my lobby today and it was ****ing fun. Like seriously fun. Couldn't find anything to fault. Good job m8
     
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  5. RPAL

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    RPAL updated Stealin' Your Flags with a new update entry:

    Post Release Patch

    Read the rest of this update entry...
     
  6. CertifiedChamp

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    I had alot of fun testing this, looking forward to playing some more.
     
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  7. Dorque_Fu

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    RPAL - This has been up two months and I just now effing noticed this?! I've been waiting for this for so long!! Thank you! I must play this. I loved this mode. How...when...Thank you!
     
  8. Dorque_Fu

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    Do you think you'll rework this with the new mini-game custom settings?
     
  9. RPAL

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    I knew I recognized your name when you sent me that REQ pack! :D
    I apologize for forgetting to notify you when I released it. I knew I forgot to tell a few people but couldn't remember who!

    Sadly the map broke from the most recent update, but I am working on it as I type this and hope to be testing a new version as soon as this weekend!
     
  10. IC Entropy

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    Can't wait till this is fixed. I loved the original and was trying to play it in customs a very days ago and couldn't get it to work. Glad to hear I'm not just crazy (but sad that it is broken).
     
  11. Dorque_Fu

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    Hey no worries about notifying me, that's not your obligation. I'm just stoked your updating it for Halo 5. Seriously love this map. Not like have a huge crew for customs to play it with.

    When you get it fixed, if you ever need a buddy to join your customs crew to play it. I'm in! So stoked for this mini-game.
     
  12. Dorque_Fu

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    How are things going in your attempts to update this map. Would love to roll this thing hard in Custom Games browser as I think folks would dig it.

    I looked at your map and was trying to figure out how all the scripting came together. I've got a general idea of how it played out, but would using the Mini-Games setup be a little easier to setup this kind of game. Looking forward to when you get a chance to update this one.
     
  13. RPAL

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    I fixed the map for use with the original gametype a couple of weeks ago after removing all of the scripts and starting from scratch. The map used to have max scripts (255?) and now it is running smoothly with less than 60. You'll see that the map version now says 2.0 and it is the exact same file as before.

    Even though I started work with the minigame gametype, I haven't had a whole lot of time to finish it nor have I had the time to publish any updates anywhere. The good thing is that both modes are completely separate from one another, so you can play the original Neutral Flag "In Your Base" in my bookmarks on v2.0 of the map and it will only implement the scripts required for that gametype. You do not need to wait for me to finish editing the map for the minigame gametype because those objects and scripts will not load in during Neutral Flag.

    To be completely honest with you the minigame mode itself has some serious flaws that take some of the fun out of the game and this custom map; for example, you don't get an individual score for the number of flags you've captured nor are there any medals for anything flag related. That is why I haven't been rushing to work on it because I personally feel like it loses some of the excitement when you cannot see who has captured flags and you do not get a medal for capturing them.

    Just to reiterate, the map (v2.0) once again works with the exact same gametype file I released it with, so go right ahead and give it a try! I can't wait to hear what you think!
     

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