aMoeba is right. Well, except when he does anyway. [FONT=arial, Helvetica]Exodus Chapter 21, verse 1: [/FONT] [FONT=arial, Helvetica] Now these are the ordinances which you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,' then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.[/FONT] Now I'm no theologian, but if you command something, doesn't that mean you condone it too? Remember this is said by god, allegedly. And LOL at "God doesn't exactly condone it, he works within it." Riiiiight. A mentally insane man may say, "I don't condone rape, I just work within it." A politician may say, "I don't condone corruption, I just work within it." A god may say, "I don't condone evil, I just work within it." It's like those afeminite guys you know that will say something like, "dude you're hot right now." "WHAT?!" "Dude, no ****." He totally is, and god totally does condone it. But hey, let's just say for the sake of my sanity and yours that you are right. God doesn't condone it, he just works within it and let's pretend that is logical. God doesn't condone homosexuality, he just works within it. I think that's fair. No hypocrites please.
You are saying that when our divine creator was coming up with what to put into the bible, the infalible moral compass for Christianity, he decided to include verses about owning other people and the manner in which these owned people should be beaten. You say God did this because we were already sinning in the form of slavery at the time, and God knew that we would not be swayed if he had included in the bible that owning another human being as property that can be beaten as close to death as possible was not acceptable. You are saying that God bent his moral standings to fit into the backwards practices of primitive man. Again: What kind of leader/creator is that?
Jesus wasn't pure if he was human which he was ,sorry to burst your bubble but nothing especialy a human being can not be pure and he was a human first so don't try to argue that lol. As for looking at religious wars look at the middle east its been in conflict even since jerusulem was found to be the holy land. Theres still fighting going on there. Even look at Chinas persistance to take over Tibet or anything that happens in south africa lol. Theres major religious conflic even today its just in places we all over look. Also Ive seen comments like "God doesn't condone sin" well he created it so its partly Gods fault that we sin. He after all did create Lucifer as an agle but then Lucifer fell and became evil , now why would god let this happen is the devil stronger than God? I guess he is since all god can do is punish and not just erase him.
God is like that and then he's like not but yet he's like stop and like ha and then barrels will jump not high low and then I shall not like have an little big flat round box that is round and like flying around in like the air with out air so then I just ran in and then out 'cuz it was to warm and then turend cold so I ran back in and then he like not and ha and noooo I and like cryed like not and much to see if like that but I like nooo? and he like yess? but I like DAMN and then god not like BOMMMM!
He was partially human and partially part of God. There's no either or.. He's just .. both. The purpose of sin is to learn how to forgive and be forgiven. It's like learning how to stay away from fire. It burns you the first time.. and you learn afterwords that you shouldn't touch fire. Simple.
Jesus encouraged slavery, therefore since he is part of God, slavery is right and in no way evil or bad.
God also believes that all disobedient children should be killed. This also goes for women who have lost their virginity before marriage and to those who work on the Sabbath day (supposedly Sunday). God's got a lot of people to kill. Exodus 35:2 "For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death." Deuteronomy 21:18 - 21:21 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him," "his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. "They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." "Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid." Deuteronomy 22:13 - 22:21 "If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her "and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,"" "then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate." "The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. "Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town," "and the elders shall take the man and punish him." "They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives." "If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found," "she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you." "
Updates with quotes. Oh, and God wants to kill all homosexuals as well. Leviticus 20:13 "'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.'"
Try and keep up with the debate. There are verses quoted condoning slavery and the beating of slaves on the previous page and even more two pages back. It did happen. God is a **** that endorses owning other human beings as property and being able to beat them within an inch of their lives.
EDIT: Okay, I read the quotes, and here's my reply: There are many types of Christians. I believe in a modern Christianity where you don't follow every little thing in the Bible. You can't take everything from the Bible like it's complete fact. It's a story, not an encyclopedia. Example: In Genesis it is said that the Earth was created in 7 days. To me, these "7 days" represent 7 periods of time or 7 ages. ...So, as I said about 50 pages back ago, you will prove absolutely nothing when grabbing quotes from the Bible.
Or 4.55 billion years. I'm sure early Christian were that bad at calculating time and performing mathematics.
But the parts you choose to believe in are the correct ones, right? The bible is part of the core of Christianity. :S
Jesus Was born a human so he was not a part of God even if they say he was the son of God which I don't believe . Holy Marry and her name has been looked at more closely and I and many scholars believe that she may have been a prositute. The son could be Josephs son not a Gods, Jesus could very well be so random guys kid. Women do not become pregnant by themselves they need a human male counter part to do so. Jesus was human and all his miracles were never proven and only a handful of individuals "saw" them. If someone can prove a miricle of a women being impregnated by God then we can Prove that Jesus was also a god which theres no evidence that he was. He was not immortal so he is not a God. Also learning to forgive and burning in eternity are not the same if God preached us to forgive why is he burning non believers, Homosexuals,beating slaves , killing children and condeming other religions? God sounds more like a demon than a savior to me.
The main reason I was turned off of organized religion is because of those who are a part of it-- I can assure you that higher members of religions, i.e. Those who teach it, certainly aren't practicing what they preach. How do I know? I was a part of a religious education program and flat out heard them gossiping about other parishiners (sp?) and after hearing that, I opened my eyes and ears a bit more and found out how corrupt people like that can be
@Makisupa & Nitrous: There's really no way I can defend God's intentions or morals, because I can't truthfully know what they even are. Here's a tad bit more though, relating to God and sin: 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. Shut up. If you don't want me to argue a point because you think what you said is infallible, don't even bother replying. As for your first point, on the premise that God is pure... John 1 The Deity of Jesus Christ 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. Not all of the wars in the Middle East are about religion. Get your facts straight. Any war on earth can be attributed to religion. Just like any death can be attributed to a common, unknown cause. [ex: Video games] You're saying its God's fault that you sin because he created it? He didn't directly create sin. It was merely a by product of his works. Lucifer has nothing to do with anything. Did you actually ever learn anything as a Christian or are you just repeating BS for me to answer? Honestly answer that, because I don't even know why you're asking this. Read Revelation and maybe you will learn a thing or two about God / satan. To make this simple for you: the time hasn't come yet. Sad generalization. You would've gotten into a better church if you cared in the first place.
who says christianity is the right religion? there are hundreds of them out there, all of which could be true.