Debate God

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  1. aMoeba

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    If he didn't proselytize himself, there would be no law of "You don't hear about me, then you go to Heaven."

    I'll get to your next point soon. I have a guest that just came over.
     
  2. Nitrous

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    It's not a ****ing law. It's a general statement of compassion and morality. If you don't know how can you be punished? He shouldn't have proselytized himself.
     
  3. abandofmilk

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    Let me drop a science bomb on the folks who believe in the big bang...

    The big bang, in simple terms, is basically the theory of a big explosion in space that create our universe. Though theory, some believe this to be a true statement. Many of those people also say that science proves religion wrong. What they don't know is that the laws of science also prove this wrong, unless if science is wrong.

    Law of Conservation of Mass

    It is impossible, based on science, that you cannot create anything out of nothing. Sure matter can change shape, size, and ultimately just change, but it doesn't just pop out of thin air (so to speak).

    So if you say science is flawed and you still believe the big bang is true, then you might as well say it's wrong about religion. otherwise you're too stubborn to admit not to everyone else but to yourself that a Creator seems more reasonable than a big bang.

    I believe in God and the big bang for one reason. I think God created the universe with a big bang, and science can't prove or disprove either of those statements. Science will never be perfect, and we'll never know till we die. Science is a dynamic being in itself. But my belief is that God is both a constant and dynamic superior being.
     
  4. shiruken

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    The big bang does not depend upon the creation of matter/mass. It assumes that they already existed in an infinitely dense point. The big bang does not disagree with the conservation laws.

    You're entitled to your beliefs. If you believe in God, then you can claim anything you want.

    Science cannot be described with words like "perfect."
     
  5. Nitrous

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    HOW DID WE MISS IT?!!?!?!? Thousands upon thousands of career physicists trying to make themselves famous and they overlooked this obvious detail! OH GOD WHY?! Why have we been so foolish. Jesus is risen!
     
  6. Sixpakvb

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    You're saying that due to the law of conservation and energy that a piece of matter could not exist because it can't just pop out of thin air. Couldn't we say the same thing about a god? How is an omnipotent deity more likely to pop out of thin air than a piece of matter? Your argument is flawed.
     
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  7. shiruken

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    /Goddidit
     
  8. Dreaddraco2

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    Almost every known law of science did not exist before the big bang, which LITERALLY created TIME AND SPACE, not just the matter in it.
     
  9. Zachary9990

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    It's not that I don't believe that Jesus walked on water, I just think it was winter-time.
     
  10. RightSideTheory

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    Source?
     
  11. ZANDER1994

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    But see, you are forgetting about white holes. They are included in many of Einstein's theories, along with worm holes and the (now proven) black hole. Instead of a black hole, where matter can literally be destroyed, matter can be created from a white hole. It's believed that there is one at the center of every universe by some astronomers.
     
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  12. Zachary9990

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    No, I kinda just made it up, but that's interesting
     
  13. RightSideTheory

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    Woops.

    Anywho, I don't think it's actually true I just looked it up after you said something.
     
  14. shiruken

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    No. Matter is not destroyed in black holes and it isn't created in a theoretical white hole (we have no evidence outside of mathematical formulas to believe in their existence). Black holes act as a sink for matter and white holes act as a source. They don't actually create or destroy anything.
     
  15. Dreaddraco2

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    Don't black holes give off radiation? That would make it highly likely the Matter is converted into energy or radiation.
     
  16. shiruken

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    Radiation is merely decaying matter. It's either alpha, beta, or gamma particles which are basically highly energized forms of helium or hydrogen atoms (to be extremely simple).

    Technically energy is matter and matter is energy according to Einsteins E = mc^2
     
  17. Zombievillan

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    You bringing up Einstein reminded me of something.

    He was one of the smartest men to ever walk the face of the Earth, and he himself searched and searched to find an answer to the question of how the universe was created. He even admitted that there had to be something else out there that was spiritual, that he couldnt explain. Unfortunatly, he died wandering and probably didnt make it to Heaven.

    God id real, and he speaks to you all if you just listen. Dont bash me for what I say, its truly my belief. He will talk to you in a way thats hard to hear. Sometimes its what people call a conscouss (spelled right?), but thats god telling you what you are doing is wrong, or good. It could be anything that pops into your head.

    Sometimes I can just open the Bible to any random page without even thinking, and I will read something that relates to a problem I am having or something going on at that particular time, and it helps.

    I have also thought about the Big bang by God myself, but its a big question. I just believe what the bible says. Its tha easy. God has saved me greatly. I used to party hard and start crap with anybody I wanted too and Do beer runs constantly, I am lucky I am not in prison from when I used to sell weed. But here I am a changed man, changed for the better thanks to Jesus Christ. The one who died for all of yours and my sins.

    Just stop and ask him to show you, sincerely, and actually meen it, and he will show you. You must truly believe though.
     
  18. AgileDan92

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    I, like you believe in a God. I just don't think he is omnipotent, and I don't think Jesus was the messiah. That doesn't mean that I don't think Jesus was one of the wisest men ever to walk the earth. I just don't think he was the Messiah. If that's what you believe, more power to you. I've got no problem with that.

    I'm an agnostic theist if you were wondering.
     
  19. makisupa007

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    Conscience

    It sounds like you got to a point in your life where you needed help picking yourself up. Religion is very good at that, especially when people are near or at their bottom. Christianity definitely has positive aspects and has helped many people deal with difficult times in similar ways to your experience. There may even have been points in my life where I needed something like that to help me through, but I was never able to suspend my disbelief far enough to truly believe. It's like going to a magic show. You know deep down that there is nothing magical happening on stage, but in order to enjoy it you have to make yourself forget that there is a perfectly logical explanation for what you are seeing. You have to want to believe in magic in order to appreciate and enjoy.

    You have to be careful about telling people that the voice that pops into their heads is the voice of god telling them what to do. If this were the case we would all have very similar moral tendencies, but we definitely do not. We clearly all have our own moral compass and that is you trying to walk yourself through a decision logically and morally that you are hearing. The problem is that many, many people do not process moral decisions the same way you might. That is why people commit horrible atrocities. When someone murders someone else it's not like they have god pleading in their head not to do it because it's wrong. They have a similar voice or conscience telling them to do it. You can't just listen to the voice in your head, unless you trust your own moral judgement, because it's you that is suggesting what the "right" thing is to do.
     
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  20. Nitrous

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    These last few pages of the God debate thread are just pathetic. Here are some of the highlights:


    It's not that I think you're unintelligent or stupid, it's just that you sound like a bunch of pretentious preteens who don't know what they're talking about. You sound like you just watched a TV show about cosmology and paraphrased your way into the thread. I could correct you, I really could, but what would be the point?
     
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