Sandbox. In all its glory. But a question arrises from the windy dunes. Are we betraying what we have come to love about forge? Are we becoming lazy, and cutting corners? Is sandbox, in all its glory, right for us? Remember the old days. Perhaps last summer? You wake up, maybe 2, or 3 in the afternoon. Your eating some cereal, and all of a sudden, BLAM, an idea pops into your head. You drop your bowl, and you run to your xbox, turn it on and put in your halo disk. You can't wait, anxious to get the game going. You load your maps, pull up foundry. You start placing objects, forming a layout to your map, whether it be a mini game, competitive map, lame-o zombie map, or just a shenanigans map. Later in the day you rethink the map, do what ever fits the map. Time passes. You've finished the map. You test it. It either sucks donkey balls, or its some fun ****. You put it on your fileshare, take some screenies. You turn on your computer, go to Bnet, and Dl the pics, upload 'em to the bucket, and post it on various and sundry forging sites. People praise you, hate you, spam you, flame you. You get a sense of proudness, and accomplisment. Hoping for that feature? Only time will tell. Much, much later, Sandbox is released. You've never typed in a code that fast. Glory is on your fingertips, and anxiousness is on the back of your tounge and in your stomach. You hurry and DL the maps, sit back, and load up sandbox. You zoom around, placing things, the next two weeks a fevered frenzy. Lets move forward. Sandbox is a normal forging map. Its now the summer, and you have the same routine. Staying up late playing customs and MM with freinds, waking up in the early afternoon... and so on. But there is one exception. Where are those great ideas you used to get every day? The ones that you would race to your xbox for, hoping to retain the awsomeness you just imagined long enough to place a bare outline. Sure, you see lots of great maps, but you notice how forced it all seems. It's just not the same. Don't forget Foundry. It started it all. It's still a great map. ________________________________________________________ This is my personal experience in transition. Are your's similar? Do you not get the vibes you used to get on foundry? Does Sandbox feel boring, or backwards to you? Try loading up foundry a couple of times this summer, and re-live those moments of awsomeness.
I find this hilarious, because it makes no ****ing sense. You blame Sandbox for creating an empty void inside our mind, empty of ideas? That the submissions on Sandbox seen thusfar are "forced"? That Foundry never had any of those maps? How about this, try loading up a map that fits your ideas, when you have them. Don't load up a map and just stare at the empty canvas as you attempt to come up with ideas, so that you can stop staring at an empty canvas. That, is the very definition of forced creation.
Foundry allowed me to better convey my ideas into maps than Pre-DLC, and Sandbox to Foundry. It's pretty silly to say that being more limited makes me more creative. You're like an architect saying that steel means that you can't think of any ideas anymore because it's gives you too many options to create buildings, and that we should go back to the days where we built wooden houses. Because, y'know, there's so much more options with wood. I mean, you can only go so far with steel. You can only have your building be 1,250 feet tall. But wood. There's so many variations you can make houses out of wood. Like...a one story building! Or...a two-story building! Or an outhouse! Don't blame your maps when you can't think of any ideas.
I think a lot of it is that you haven't played Sandbox enough. You haven't gotten to know the map and its objects so well that you see designs in your dreams. Once you start dreaming about Sandbox, that's when you'll start getting inspiration. So, get to know the map better.
It's probably just a coincidence. You're probably being daunted by all the options and space available to you. You can even choose from 3 level to build on for **** sake. In Foundry, you looked at the back corridor and some people actually built an entire map around that area (or another area) of Foundry. With Sandbox there's no scenery to build around, so the lack of problems with how to fit said hypothetical scenery into your map comes with a new problem: lack of inspiration from said hypothetical scenery. But I also think it's a coincidence because I've never run to my xbox in a blind panic for fear of forgetting my amazing idea. On Foundry or on Sandbox.
If you start to see designs in your dreams, then you are well and truly addicted to Forge. No saying thats a good or bad thing, but, you know, it's a bit obsessive.
Your probaly having a hard time getting ideas because you have so many more options there is absolutely nothing to build around and there are to many possibilities. Try starting by making something silly or just make some kind of geometry. Once you have placed some things around try building your awesome map or eat your cereal and think about it until you have a bueno idea
I still have a million ideas. I just don't have the time because I work so much. I have no problem with ideas for Sandbox. This thread is basically worthless.
This **** made me laugh. So, you don't appreciate Sandbox because you claim it doesn't bring you any ideas to work with? You're obvious one of the only ones out there who can say that, because I constantly get ideas. I go into Foundry, sit there, think to myself "Why the **** am I in here?" and go back to Sandbox. Lay off the DRUQS man.
Ok, I didn't get sandbox the same time when everyone else did. I probably got them a month later after it was released. When everyone else got them, immediately I see that maps are constantly being released and at a faster rate. Well of course, the halo3 forgers were given a new map to forge on. With 3 levels! And seriously, each level on sandbox are bigger than foundry on their own. I was a bit intimidated when I saw sandbox. I was like wow, look at all the ideas people can come up with. Basically a great map is going to be a playable one with a brilliant, original idea. I have thought of ideas, but just didn't take the time to start forging. I still like foundry a bit better right now, maybe because of the items and the feeling of the map. But I am sure that will change once I get more used to sandbox and what it allows a forger like me to do. Maybe I just havn't seen the light yet. Hopefully when I do, I can start forging, and releasing maps. I know one thing. When I go through the item list on sandbox, it still takes me time to find items. I don't fly straight through it and know where every item is on the list, and I bet some forgers are capable of doing that. Sandbox is a boring map, but it has given forgers the opportunity to do what they love, forge.
You're basicaly worthless. If you don't think this is worth posting in, then GFTO. Meh, Its just my opinion. The Idea thing is only a peice of it for me.
Forgetting foundry? Look at the newest posted maps right now. 2 out of the 5 are foundry. I wouldn't worry about that. I myself have a map still in the works on Foundry. I think what you're feeling is a sense of blankness. Because there is no scenery on Sandbox, or really anything to work with from the start, ideas can't really rap around a point like they used to. You have to make EVERYTHING. It's surprising that once you get exactly what you asked for, you don't know what to do with it. It reminds me of going from a game creator that allowed simple actions, to suddenly you have so many options that just which type of explosion you want to use can take an hour to think of. Granted, I doubt a lot of people know that feeling, but I remember it and it's just like that.
I have a similer problem with sandbox,contrary to the rest of everyone. Its nice to have no limits,but i think the limits on foundry is what makes it such a good map,you can geomerge to get by walls,and interlock to make items fit,and you acually have to work to make your maps. I admit there is some good sandbox maps (utah mambo,element) but I think the best foundry maps (remedy,slate creek) exceed the best sandbox maps by far. Thats he best I know how to word it.
TBH, I still like foundry more than sandbox. I dunno, its probably the big amount of nostalgia that hit me.
I feel the same way to a degree, I've had some ideas for maps on Sandbox and haven't got around to Forging them, but I think it's mostly because a lot of my ideas have been done before, or something similar that ends up to be better than my interpretation. I haven't forged a single map on Sandbox yet, but that also could be because of my lack of time. I've been writing exams for the past week, although I plan on finishing (or giving up on, I haven't decided yet) my last Foundry map until the theme of one of my maps fits a Warehouse. When it comes down to it, Sandbox isn't better than Foundry, and Foundry isn't better than Sandbox. If your map has close quarters and a short roof, Foundry is probably the way to go, but large maps or maps with death pits, Sandbox is the obvious way to go. Sandbox does deliver more possibilities, however.