Debate What Happens After Death?

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  1. aMoeba

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    Your whole argument supposes that emotion is not possible in Heaven or hell, which where you got that idea from I don't know..

    1) How do we know Heaven is eternal (if were to exist)? Because the Bible tells us so. The Bible also tells us Heaven is a good place. Sure we can give it true adjectives that are subjective - but we can't describe it how it really is.

    Since when do we not feel emotion in Heaven? Where'd you get that from?

    2) You know this how? From personal experience?

    3) That's assuming that Heaven/hell is boring which you know not either.

    4) Read the above points

    So here are the problems I find with what you're saying:
    • No emotions in heaven/hell (substantiate this?)
    • You're still comparing Heaven/hell (the supernatural) to the natural. Doesn't worry, sorry. There's emotions in the supernatural that are probably greater than boredom. Probably higher than happiness. Maybe eternal happiness is an understatement. The fact is, we can't understand it. The problem is, you're still trying.
     
  2. DC

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    Ive wondered the same time.

    Maybe spagetti?
     
  3. FlameRazor

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    No one knows, for sure, but god exists, somewhere.
     
  4. Solo

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    We rot in the ground. Worms feed on our decaying flesh. Insects burrow inside the brittle spongy bone in our femur(s).

    Or, we float up to heaven.
     
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  5. Eyeless Sid

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    You rott and you fade from people memeries over time. Then you are completely forgoten. Then nothing your gone. : / kinda lame
     
  6. Huntar

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    well, being the christian i am;

    I would say Heaven or Hell.

    As firefox said, i believe the soul is more of your personality, who you are.
    Feelings, thoughts, desires.
    The true human soul can be anything, no one is sure.
     
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  7. jakob hunter

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    I heard that there is a guy who did die and then wrote about it in i whole book because somehow after he was brought back to life he wrote the book he used to be an atheist i think and then accepted Christ in the ambulance on the way to the hospital i think he had that surgery thing where the doctors stop your heart for the surgery then start it up again idk someone should look it up.

    I being a firm believer in God and Jesus Christ as a Christian do believe everything the Bible says and it does say that there is a Heaven. For those who say that if there is a Heaven that is eternal paradise they would get bored well think again because it is perfect in Heaven and thus you would not feel bord ever or thirst or hunger it would just be perfect on the other hand in Hell it woul be like living in a world where there is not good and all it is the bad things in the world and you would have eternal pain and suffering it would never get numb and you would just be bored of it because you can't.
     
  8. M.Jelleh

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    Everything the bible says? You jest sir.
     
  9. jakob hunter

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    What?
     
  10. The God of Grunge

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    We rot in the ground.
     
  11. buddhacrane

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    No, you misunderstood. My whole argument was attempting to prove that emotion must be possible in Heaven and Hell for the whole concept to work. And, thusly, due to the very nature of our emotions, the concept of "boredom" (in whatever supernatural form you wish it to take) would apply, and will apply due to the nature of "eternity" (in whatever supernatural form you wish that to take)

    The concept of Heaven and Hell is fundamentally flawed.

    Not being able to make any comparisons to the natural is also not a good argumentative standpoint, in regards to emotions. Our emotions are governed by natural experiences, we "feel" pain because it hurts, be it physically or mentally and there's nothing supernatural about it. Whisk us away into a supernatural realm and tell me my "natural" feelings don't apply makes no sense because our feelings are based on natural impulses and responses. Taking that away no longer makes us human and we cease to be the person we once were. Take away someones natural emotions and your left with an empty shell, you can't just substitute in "supernatural" ones.

    I cannot just *Be* eternally happy in Heaven. Emotions require a stimuli. Something about Heaven would have to make me happy, and given long enough with the same stimuli (the one making me happy) I would become emotionally numb to it, and thus, boredom. Yes that's using "natural" explanations, but as I said, our emotions themselves are not supernatural. Replace them with supernatural ones and they aren't our emotions anymore, we are no longer "us".
     
  12. aMoeba

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    Before I say anything, would you consider "surprise" an emotion? The emotion of fright, happiness, or worry, at the expense of a "surprise."
     
  13. Dow

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    Heaven would be my own personal hell. Nothing worse that overloads of christians praising Jesus.
    (I do not believe in it of course)
     
  14. Norlinsky

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    And living for eternity? That just sounds terrible...
     
  15. Indie Anthias

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    I acknowledge the possibility of heaven but not hell. I roundly reject hell. I think that if God exists, he must be an anthropologist and therefore would have a level of understanding of human behaviour that would not allow him to "damn a soul to eternal fire" for decisions that were made.

    Heaven, on the other hand... I imagine an existence that is comprised of pure understanding, and free access to the sum total of the knowledge of the universe.
     
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  16. Jimbodawg

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    A funeral.
    Mourning.
    Sense of loss.
    Moving on.
    Memories.

    Oh..
    Wrong POV.

    Actually, I'm quite sure you just die. Like, BAM! And you're dead. Nothing else. Just death. So to answer your question. Nothing.
     
  17. halo kid

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    well,following my own views,when you die,you go to heaven (or hell) and you have everything you ever want in heaven,after a few generations or so die,you are reborn as a baby with no memory of what happened. rinse and repeat.
     
  18. M.Jelleh

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    My views are similar to Predicide's but I believe there is some existence other than heaven for those who I would call "The **** of the Earth". For example: Hitler, Stalin, baby rapists, etc. I don't think it would be the classic idea of hell, but it would be much worse than being in heaven.
     
  19. buddhacrane

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    I would say that "surprise" is an emotion. It is a response to particular stimulii which can vary from person to person, I'd say that qualifies it as an emotion. Of course, surprise is typically a short-lived emotion that leads onto other emotions that relate to it, such as anger or happiness. It would be unusual for surprise to not lead onto some other emotional response following the initial stimulii.

    e.g, someone screams down your ear when you're staring off into space and you're initially surprised, but then once you're over the initial shock it may lead onto something like annoyance. It would be odd if surprise was your only emotional response to the incident. Of course you may not have felt surprise at all, since the feeling can vary from person to person.

    Yes, actually, it really does.
     
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