Debate God

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  1. aMoeba

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    I understand what you're saying, but the premise of gravity is happening. Whether or not its controlled by aliens I already stated - but its absolute that we see it happening. The earth at the center of the universe was something that could be disproven - but we notice gravity, whether or not its attributes happen - we know that gravity, in any type of entity, works.
     
  2. shiruken

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    The theory of evolution only pertains to the change in genetic material of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. It does not explain the origin of life (called abiogenesis). Do not confuse the two, because they are not the same thing.

    There is currently a number of hypotheses regarding the origin of life on the planet earth. However, at the base of each hypothesis is a non-organic form of natural selection. In the early days of the Earth, the temperature and conditions on the surface of the planet were far more extreme than that of today (specifically, a highly reducing atmosphere, which is key to many of the chemical reactions that took place). There were large amounts of carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, and nitrogen atoms, which is expected as these are the building blocks of practically everything in the Universe. If you've taken any chemistry, you know that atoms like to bond to one another to reduce their total energy and to become more stable. Small compounds began to form, like H2CO (formaldehyde) and HCN (hydrogen cyanide), in vast quantities because of the reducing environment. These molecules began to react with one another to produce even more complex molecules, such as amino acids, sugars, and nucleotides. It is key to realize that these fundamental building blocks of life existed before life on the planet and are simple enough to be formed from the fundamental elements. These molecules began to form macromolecules such as proteins, carbohydrates, lipids, and nucleic acids. These macromolecules began to display specific traits and characteristics that allowed them to react with other molecules and atoms. It is currently proposed that life began when a macromolecule acquired the ability to replicate itself, which allowed it to control its own existence. No longer was the stability of the molecule controlling the concentration of the molecule, now the molecule controlled its own existence through its replication. This molecule is thought to have been RNA.

    Sounds far fetched? Well it really isn't. The 22 essential amino acids have been synthesized from only water, methane, ammonia, and hydrogen gas in laboratories in simulations of the early-earth environment. The gradual development of molecules into more and more complex macromolecules is a well understood process and is taking place all around us.

    From the view of science, that is not true. Nothing can be known with absolute certainty because there is always a chance that there could be evidence found refuting it. At no point did I say that gravity did not exist. I simply said that the theory of gravity would be overturned if enough testable evidence existed to refute it. I'm not saying that will ever happen or that it's likely to happen. There can never be absolute truth from the view of science because it is simply not part of the system. You have to understand that this is from a scientific viewpoint, not a practical viewpoint.

    The scientific method cannot be applied to anything that has no testable evidence. That is the only limitation.

    Truth is not a synonym for accuracy in the scientific world. It may be in the practical world or the dictionary, but that is not what science tests.
     
  3. Dreaddraco2

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    It could all be an illusion though. Just like I can't say there is definitely no god, no one can say that everything is definitely not an illusion.

    God made everything. But why did he make it so people have to pray to him?
     
  5. Transhuman Plus

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    If god created the unviverse AKA, all matter and energy, and god is also omnipotent, then he must have Laplace's demon like precision when it comes to knowing things (or else he wouldn't be all powerful and all knowing). So why did he create a universe where suffering was possible?
     
  6. SK Aleks

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    There is no way there could exist an all powerful being. Why can't the world see the truth that all religion has done is make wars. Why can't we all be atheist >_>
     
  7. Norlinsky

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    If church consisted of these lessons, I might consider going.
     
  8. Eyeless Sid

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    I used to believe ,I went to church for 15 years, Then I realized none of my prayers did anything. I recieved no response to any of them and i recieved no "signs " of a answer. To me praying to God is as effective as praying to nothing. Why you ask because nothing happens after you pray, you feel like waiting and you do wait. You can wait years even decades with no response. There never will be a response unless your mentaly i'll or on a controled substance or drug. lol. You want to talk to god take drugs and find the closest homeless guy to talk to because thats the best you'll get. I've never seen any signs of a greater being in my life and I WAS religious.You will probably say that you have had an experience but in reality it was you just linking a good or bad event with you praying . This event would have happen either way but you believe its because of this reason. Now after many years of false hope i realize that I was wasting my time and the only good thing that religion is good for is giving moral disipline and or starting wars.
     
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  9. Norlinsky

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    Didn't it piss you off when you realized how idiotic you sounded all that time?
     
  10. Eyeless Sid

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    Yup lol Im like "wait WTF am I doing this makes no sense."
     
  11. Dreaddraco2

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    The Yes/No/Wait answer too prayer is an illusion!
     
  12. shiruken

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    That is not an argument. And that question has still yet to be answered.
     
  13. Silent oo death

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    Why should he create a universe where there is not? What debt does he owe to us? The only reward from this life should be happiness in the next.

    Tool is a great band so im going to post some lyrics that are vaguely relevant.

    And the angel of the lord came unto me. snatching me up from my place of slumber, and took me on
    High, and higher still until we moved through the spaces betwixt the air itself. and he brought me into a
    Vast farmland of our own midwest. and as we descended, cries of impending doom arose from the
    Soil. one thousand, nay, a million voices full of fear. and terror possessed me then. and I begged:
    angel of the lord, what are these tortured screams? and the angel said unto me: these are the cries
    Of the carrots. the cries of the carrot. you see, reverend maynard, tomorrow is harvest day, and to
    Them, it is the holocaust. and I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat with the tears of one million
    Terrified brothers and roared: hear me now, I have seen the light. they have a consciousness! they
    Have a life! they have a soul. damn you! let the rabbits wear glasses. save our brothers. can I get an
    Amen. can I get a haleluia. thank you, jesus.

    Religion is what we make it to be so we best get what we should from it. A higher sense of morals and striving to make this life the best we can.
     
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  14. aMoeba

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    The proposed theory I choose to stand by is this.

    Here's a premise:
    • God is omnipotent (all powerful)
    • God is all loving
    He can't show his love to nothing. Therefore, he created us and the universe because he needed to give his love to something.
     
  15. Pigglez

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    If God is infinite and Time is inifinite, why did God wait so long to create the Earth? What was he doing all that time beforehand?
     
  16. Norlinsky

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    Jackin' it.


    Just saying.
     
  17. aMoeba

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    In what?
     
  18. EonsAgo

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    But then, he got bored fapping and made a woman for himself. He thought, "Hey, why not give her a little power as well?" And so, he conjured up a semi-goddess. At first, they were happy; a picture perfect couple floating through the nothingness. However, she was angered when he told her the dress she had made her look fat.. and made another God. This created an epic love triangle greatly surpassing those of Shakespeare's! God found out and vowed to put down this pretender once and for all! God found the poser and they had a sword fight to the death... he slashed away with his Mighty Hammer until he had the poser laying on the ground. Benevolent as he was, God told the poser he could make a truce. The guy stood up with his sword down, and then lashed out without warning! Unfortunately, God's arm got cut off. "It's just a flesh wound!" He cried out. "NOOO" cried mrs. God, "I didn't mean for this to happen!" She drank a cup of poison and died. Distraught, God used his superior magicks to explode the poser with the angry force of Wonder Woman going through her period. Unfortunately, the day's events took a great toll on our hero, and he forgot to think before launching his nukes. All the force he unleashed; all the ensuing sparks and energy were so powerful, "over 9000" doesn't even begin to describe them. The force consumed all three of the mystical beings and asploded them; their bodies becoming "matter", and their minds becoming our "consciousness". The torment of their conflict would forever live on in the daily emotions felt by the people that later came about.

    Moral: Never tell a woman that a dress makes her look fat.



    On a serious note, if God is infinite, then everything he creates, to a certain extent, must also be infinite. The only way our universe could completely disappear would be if God took away all the matter just as he created it.
     
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  19. Norlinsky

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    I believe Neitzche said, "woman was God's second mistake".


    And aMoeba, have you ever questioned your faith? In some phase of some sort.
     
  20. aMoeba

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    Of course.

    Nice post, Eons.
     
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