Sandbox Curse

The map looks like it plays quite well from what I see. This actually looks like one of the better crypt map (which I tend not to enjoy very much) so I'll give it a DL.

 

I was thinking about remaking Curse also but it sees you have done a pretty good job of it. Deffinitely downloading and will reply after I walk through it. It looks like a pretty fun map through halo's perspective.

 

Hopefully this gets the plays this map deserves, as it could do with a wider audience. For a first real concerted forging attempt, it's of a neat quality - you've tried and succeeded quite well in combating all the potential flaws with regards getting out of the map and such like. Overall it's a pretty good remake, though areas for various reasons have had to be changed to suit Halo more which is only a good thing in my opinion.

All the games I participated in were fun to play, even through the various evolutions of the map itself. Hell, you even had a certain notoriously difficult to please with regards maps playing enjoying it!

Gotta love the true-to-form holes [those walls with slots] in the floor of the high walkway, sticks, rockets, snipes all fun through those on unsuspecting passers by.

 

nice crypt map like someone else said it is one of the better crypt maps out there. The interlocking looks pretty good I would probably have interlocked the wood bridge things with the ogjects below them but I don't think it will really matter much... Good map there and I can't say much more until I play it =)

 

awesome looking, and a pretty accurate replica. This just reminded me of my half-finished replicas of flux 2, molten, osiris, asbestos and antalus (yes i was trying to recreate them all and i will when i have the time, it won't be a for a few months yet but i'll make an Unreal championship/tournament map pack with all the maps replicated some time.

Edit: PS i downloaded

 

Quick Review

Hey regulargonzales, your map caught my eye earlier today so I thought that I would give it a download and have a forge-through. If you are interested here are my thoughts:

First Impressions

Right from the first spawn your map is easy on the eye and simple to traverse. The weapons are easy to find and the rooms flow nicely into one another. However this is to be expected since your map is a remake of an unreal map. Never-the-less you seem to executed the remake well.

Escaping the Map

Since your map is an enclosed map it is almost inevitable that it suffer from escape routes. This is one of the key marks against any enclosed map so I'll cover it first. With my limited jumping abilities I was only able to find one route out of the map. If you stand next to the sniper rifle you can grenade jump onto the left-hand "arch" and from there you can jump on to the adjacent wall and out of the map. It is quite a simple route out from a rather secluded place so a player could do this during a lull in play. It should be quite easy to fix.

Construction/Layout

The layout of the map is logical and well though-out. I particularly like the central canyon that runs through the map. Your use of tunnel sections gives the ground floor of this canyon a distinctive look.

You have done well to implement different heights to all your floors above the ground floor. This is particularly evident in the room with the needler next to the sniper (picture 8) and in the central high BR room. This is a great plus for your map and gives an extra dimension to it, great job.

Another favorite feature are the murder holes on the upper walk-ways. as well as the ramps leading up to the these. The ramp on the blue side being one of my favorite points on the map - the double back from the ground floor to the upper floor is a simple but great feature.

I would agree with last_chaos_7 that the wooden bridge above the blue base could do with smoothing out particularly towards the middle of the map, it is difficult to crouch-walk over this part of the map.

Also in the blue room: the two gravlifts could be interlocked with the "y-sections" so prevent them from being destroyed by explosives.

A final note on construction: you have some z-fighting on the floor in the blue needler corridor.

Weapons

You have a decent and well balance set of weapons on the map. Most are very easy to spot and respawn as expected. I like the placement of the rockets and the sniper-rifle inparticular. However I think the 60 second spawn on the rockets is a bit short. It does have a small clip but perhaps a larger clip with a longer spawn would encourage the rockets to spread around the map a bit. The same could be said in a lesser extent for the sniper-rifle.

I do like the set of weapons that you have chosen, however I think that this map would benifit from some of the great dual weapons that Halo 3 has to offer.

Spawns/Objectives

Your spawns are well placed and consistent through-out the map. Most face in logical directions and arn't too close to each other. If anything you perhaps have too many spawns - lots of spanws in close proximity act as single "spawn zones" so may actually be redundant. In the central canyon you have some sets of spawns back to back. I would suggest turning these to face the direction of play, eg. towards the other team's spawn.

Although your normal spawns are good, your starting spawns and spawn zones don't seem to have been placed correctly. Some of your starting spawns overlap with normal spawns. You also don't have many spawn point around you starting spawns which may cause players to spawn away from each other at the start of the game. Finally you have not set up any spawn zones; this may be ok in slayer but in your objective games this will cause the teams to spawn at random points over the map. I would suggest having a look at some of the spawning guides on these forums.

Concluding Remarks

Your map is neatly made and well laid out. It has some simple but very effective rooms. You spawns are decent but may require some more thought, particularly for objective games. This is a very solid map; with some extra work it could be a really great map.

 

Looks like one of those amazing slayer maps in the crypt, and it is. I agree with most of everything Fearsome said, and I like the CQC, because this map seems like one of those CQC maps.

 

Quick Review Pt 2

Hi regulargonzales, I managed to have a look at your updated map in forge and played a few games on it over the weekend. We played a couple of small slayer matches and two team doubles games. I've put my thoughts down here:

Forge-Through

I had a walk around to spot your changes from the previous version. Most of these changes are in the spawning and you seem to have implemented this well. However the spawn zones that you placed don't seem to cover all of the spawn points around them. You might want to expand the size of these zones.

Games

We played a couple of FFA Slayer matches and a couple of Doubles matches on this map over the weekend. All the games were slayer so we just got a chance to check out the spawns and the weapon balance. Here is a short review:

Pros
All the games we played were a lot of fun.
Every player said that they enjoyed the map; the map layout and weapon choice being the recipients of the most praise.
It is a very easy map to learn, we came up with call outs and secure points very quickly.
The upper central BR room is a brilliant feature of this map, all five approaches to this room provide interesting and varied combat.
The timing of the sniper and Rocket spawns are just right for a map this size with the sniper rifle being the weapon of choice for everyone and neither weapon becoming too overpowering.
Stickies and the Dual weapons also featured strongly in our games, these weapons are excellent counters to BRs in the central room.
Although the map has natural choke points the abundance of routes around the map makes it a difficult map to lock down.
At the same time the limited number of weapons means that it is easy to keep track of who has what and what you might be attacked by.
The balance of routes, choke-points and weapons makes this a fantastic maps for small slayer matches.

Cons
The grav-lifts in the blue room gave several people trouble during play, they don't seem to boost you up high enough and we occasionally had a player get stuck in them. Unfortunately this is a major detractor from a great map. To get smooth movement from low blue to high blue you need to give these lifts more height. I would suggest either floating the gravlifts a foot or two off the ground or moving the y-box up and putting in a bigger ramp.
A once or twice during seperate games we had a bad spawn. One that stands out because it occured twice was a spawn on top blue: Players would be engaged in BR fighting across the length of the top walkway and then a dead team mate would respawn behind his team mate near the sniper side of top blue, usually right in sight and shot of his enemies. I think you will solve this if you sort your spawn zones out - you just need to expand the spawn zone on top blue to cover the whole walkway.
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Conclusion/Suggestions
Overall we had allot of fun playing this map. It is balanced and well exicuted. It still needs a little work to elevate it to the top level but my best recommendation would be that more people play this map. I think this map is well made such that it doesn't really need lots of testing but I think it would benifit from being downloaded and played. So get to it fellow forgers...

 

I really like the look of this map and i will download now. The gameplay could be intese and exciting and that is what i look for in maps. The map is well recreated and it looks neat aswell! 5/5

 

Yeah, having played a fair number of games on this map those grav lifts have been a bit of an issue on occasion. It seemed if I didn't get right into it to get the full force I wouldn't get the boost, and it's pretty difficult to get out of.

The latest changes and weapon set tweaks are fine, quite liked the couple of 2 v 2 games we had on it as well - not quite as chaotic as 4's can be [depending on who's playing/how they're playing].

 

Wow this looks great i played it with some of my friends and we had a blast!
Got any tips for me? Forge-wise?

 

A little bit more feedback regarding your map:

Tried playing this map again the other day, with King of the Hill [team] as the gametype. It worked reasonably well, at first it was a little hectic but improved quite quickly as both teams started developing and then copying each others on-the-fly setups for protecting hill. Might try Oddball at some point.