This Guy is a Joke

Ya. haha. Utah mambo "a bad map" Lmao. /he should play it.

Though he does have a point that bungie does try to pick maps that suck ass and that is all. They don't care about good gameplay, only if the spawns are really bad.

 

Yeah, cause good spawns are nothing to do with good gameplay, obviously....

I agree that Shiska cares more about a decent spawning system than pretty much anything else, but to be fair the VAST majority of Forge maps have sub-par spawning, that's just the way it is. Sure this is because the system is very complex and hard to understand and utilise properly, but still, it's not like they're focusing on something that doesn't matter. Geez, people just love to complain more than anything don't they?

To the OP: Just lol, you're right. I think Utah Mambo is pretty damn fine, and I'm seriously glad it's in MM. There will always be some people who hate on maps no matter how good they are, they're just butthurt, and tbh I'm guessing Rick couldn't care less what stupid little B.net kids think.

 

The post says nothing about Utah Mambo, just Punishment.

 

I agree. I read that thread a few minutes ago and the guy said nothing bad about Utah Mambo.

What he was ranting about was the fact that punishment was basically a guy who picked up the controller and said "Im going to make a map"

 

I guess that teaches me to read further than I did, lesson learned .

Still, I do dislike the idea that being a beginner at Forging makes your map awful. As said in the thread, you don't have to have Forged before to know what makes a map good in geometry terms, and he clearly took the time to study Bungie maps and learn how they like spawns to be done. As is my mantra on this issue, from a geometry standpoint the skill is in designing a good map, not being able to pull off crazy interlocks for the sake of it. If a few more people on FH realised that then this would be a happier place.

 

I do find it ironic that in the Bungie Weekly Update though, they didn't show an overview of Punishment, just a close-up action shot.

I'm not going to bash the map around because I haven't even played it yet either. I'm also hoping that Bungie was using that 'basic' screenshot as bait for people to DL and play first too. Sadly I can't see the OP post on Bungie.net anymore, but I'm sure it was childish and in bad taste for him to have been banned for it.

 

I played it and it is pretty half-assed. I was wondering why it got into matchmaking myself.

 

For some reason I don't like punishment, probably because of the fact the map is so damn full of stuff that driving a warthog becomes a death sentence. But for the average pedestrians/ aviators I can't see why you wouldn't like this.

Besides, where there is exceptional work there is jealousy. And Utah Mambo is a great map. At least this guy isn't claiming he made them.

 

Seconded.
Downloaded the map a while ago, and it's really not all that good. There's even places in the middle part where you just die because the kill-ball slightly comes through the walls.

Utah Mambo, however, 100% deserves matchmaking position.

 

Dont jump on the dude for not loving everything put in matchmaking. I personally am not a fan of Utah Mambo either.

 

Does anyone have the OP? It's gone.

And, I really despise B.Net forums. They're a neverending cesspool of flamewars and trolls.

 

I might still have the thread, sorry to hear that not everyone likes my map and thinks it is half ass. Everyone is going to have an opinion though, so it is what it is. I love Utah Mambo and was very happy to see it placed in MM. The thread last night had nothing to do with this though, as the OP was flaming me because I said I had never Forged before (which is not entirely true. He also had never even DL'ed or even looked at it before he gave his opinion.

Hopefully people will like it as my group that I am on in B.Net did. It is not for everyone but I am still glad it did make it into MM.

 

If shiska cares so much about good spawns then how did anvil and smashed get in? On smashed people are constantly spawning behind you. Also on anvil in the playlist lonewolves, for my start spawn I spawned directly behind another player for my start spawn. By right behind the player in front of me I'm I assassinated the player in font of me right away, I want to know how they let that get by.

 

This it the thread

I appreciate that some people would at least give it a chance before flaming it. I can appreciate and want the feedback though and have asked for it from day one. You can ask anyone that I play with and some of the people on here also. I have seen some awesome maps lately and know that mine is not the best, but I did do the work and went through all the channels to get it out there.

My forging has gotten a lot better since then, but like I said in the Q&A with Bungie I was really just trying to make a map that was fun for everyone to play on.