of all of the crazy **** that happens to the billions of people in this world, there's bound to be people who are lucky and others who aren't. Others may see guardian angels and miracles, i just see physics at work. And there is so much horrible **** that happens to people, that it makes me wish we were being watched over. Also about the people getting pissed about this thread going back and forth with repetitive statements, check out the video nitrous posted.
I believe the unspoken question here is this: how could God allow such atrocities if He is all knowing, all powerful, and all good? Indeed, it's one of the hardest questions that faces anyone who chooses to follow God and is related to the problem of evil. To say I know the answer would be arrogant and foolish, because I don't think any one answer could satisfy such a grievous conundrum. And the accepted canon of the Bible is certainly just as vague regarding the problem as anything else. Ecclesiasted 6:1-2 reads: The problem is this: there is an action which is called evil, and it is directly attributed to God. I doubt whether the author (Solomon, most agree) realized what he was saying in this phrase, or maybe he just had a different view of God than we do. It's clear in the Old Testament that the authors have no problem with attributing death, destruction, plagues, famines, diseases, and even evil spirits to being caused by God. Their view doesn't necessitate that God is good and that God is love (though from the writings, these things can be implied at some level); their views hold God as sovereign, solitary, and holy. So catastrophes happen, and people get sick, maimed, mutilated, and killed. I don't understand it and I can't begin to explain it. But I believe that the God I love and who loves me is sovereign and will do what he will do. Labeling God as "good" and then expecting Him to do what we would expect an all good, all knowing, all powerful God to do puts God in a box--and God isn't one who will be put into a box. Does that answer the question? Hardly. As I've said, I don't think there is a viable answer. EDIT: And I will be so bold as to attribute "luck" to God: both the good and the bad.
Well, from a physical standpoint there has to be a first cause for everything that we see. The question of evil isn't an issue of God's existence, just his nature and/or how personnal he is.
Well, out of all the bad things that actually do happen, you have to look at the good things that happen to. God works in mysterious ways. The workd cant be oerfect, or it would be Heaven. There has to be somewhere you can go if you live your life having faith in God and living your life right, that is why Earth isn't perfect
Well, you're technically wrong on a physical and philosophical standpoint, but that's not what's important. Let's assume an unmoved mover is needed. What makes god that mover? For instance, what if the unmoved mover's move was to make god who then made everything else. This unmoved mover could be very well be god but it doesn't have to be. You can call the unmoved mover god, that's just a definitional term, but as to whether it is emotionally and intellectually intricate is up for debate. Whether it is active in our world is up for debate. Whether its will is effective or ineffective is up for debate. If you can debate such matters. Might makes right. If its all the same to you, I'd prefer to not worship and sycophantically praise someone, you believe, to be attributed to genocide, infanticide, and totalitarianism. This theology is a hodge podge of bullshit. :\
something i thought of look around how was it created by the big bang maybe but what made all that matter in the big bang wa=hat created it basically if it here it had to of been created like all the items here they didint just randomly show up someone somewhere created it so even if you say the bigbang created the planets and universe what created the bigbang or whatever created this
You can take a life lesson when it comes or you cannot but do not trash it because they are trying to give you a completely neutral insight into a better way of thinking.
Isn't the saying,"Wise men will listen to the words of fools and choice what is wisdom. Fools only listen to themselves."
How is that even closely relevant? I didn't say I was right or that I was correct. Just because I don't put "IMO" in front of everything doesn't mean it isn't. Now when someone tries to give you an insight I believe we should respect it, as I said and as the beginning of your quote said. I finished by saying "don't trash someone when they're trying to help you" which would be the fool only listening to himself by just brushing off what someone has to say. The fact that I debate instead of just saying "no you're wrong" is proof enough that I take time to read your arguments and give my honest response.
Trash it? I was merely giving insight into the latter option. Also, you can't tell me its a better way of thinking, we all don't think alike, and I see this by what we debate.
As a spectator, I would like to say keep up the good ****................it gives me amusement in my Day.
Exactly what was the point of posting this? Please try to refrain from these subtly unimportant replies.
There was no intention of getting an 800th post, merely a warning to stop unnecessary posts. Please, I urge you to refrain from continuing this conversation.
You know, I think it's safe to say this debate is closed. Both sides have made their points, and all that's being said now is repetition and nonsense posts. I'd say it's time for /thread....especially considering how massive this thing has gotten.