Matter of opinion is debateable, therefore constitiutes discussion. Anything that is provable to the absolute is not worth discussing as there is no matter of opinion in which the opposer of proof is a fool. No definiteve proof, but there is evidence which leads people to "Faith in God." *Unlocked*
Whatever, have your argument that only causes cliques and selfish hatred towards another over something that is only meaningful in the individuals' who believe and/or do not believe. Really, having this discussion open is ****ing senseless, but whatever.
Starting off I'm glad had this topic unlocked. What was that about? I was miss understood about your opening title. Now I don't have much new to say but In comparing Islam to Christianity there are a few key points make them different. Now for damnation all of what Rusty Said I have to agree with... What I am going to bring more of a point of is that it isn't god that damns you to hell. It is your self...
K, I'm Jewish so I can say. NEVER do we say that other religions go to hell. NEVER. We just kind of believe that good people who follow the law for the most part and are kind to others will have a better life in heaven.
Look at the context... For the KKK, I was making the point that we can't judge a people based on one extremist group, since the KKK was mostly made up of Christians. You asked me where I learned it from. Well, obviously Islam and Christianity have differences, otherwise they'd be the same religion. I was pointing out that one of the similarities is that Islam holds murder in the same regard as Christianity, because they both have the Ten Commandments. And did I ever say I knew I was going to heaven? Only God knows that. I was just pointing out that I am, in fact, Christian, since someone else thought that I wasn't.
Agreed but what Job wanted in his death was it to far apart from hell... I really am tired of hell as this over drama of fire and the devil. Simply put it was total separation from good. In my mind that is what truly makes hell. As for Joshua was it,"As for me and my house, we will worship the lord...?" Now I'm not disagreeing your not saying everyone else needs to believe what your saying in this statement but totally points to his God very personally. Also with ... I am forgetting one second. I will have to get out a bible tomorrow and update sorry ...but he teased the worshipers of Baal and "teased them maybe your god is asleep or not listening." He would soon after turn to say come and worship the one true living God, to his people. Now I totally agree with you ... I would love you to bring more to the conversation. I am simply trying to point out that damnation is not as complex as we think it is. Now I know I written some here... I'm a bit tired and I will edit this unless I see a need to quote reply...thanks hope you dont get mad at me...?
im a christian but really not in the traditional sense i believe that all the religions find route in one god whether it be allah yaweh god or the hindu god (don't tell me they have many because i just studied this and they are all just facetes of the one) they are all the same and all lead to salvation
im just gonna put this out there, if you believe in the Holy Bible, aka God's Word, then you believe John 3:16-18 that says : "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he Has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." and to extend the message here, James 2:14-19 "What good is it, my brothers ,if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed." but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and tremble in fear." The God that the very Bible talks about and who is the Creator, Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, God, by whatever name you call Him in whatever language is still God and if He that is who you believe in and with your faith have evidence by God the Holy Spirit who dwells in those that accept Him as Lord and Saviour over their very soul, Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not (physically) see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. (physically)" So if you believe you're a Christian, a very believer and follower of Jesus Christ, your God your Creator your Saviour, just make sure that as a representative of Him, someone that bears His name and bears a testimony for Him that you're living different from the world and following the Bible, His Word He gave to you not only believe but apply to your life. Even the demons believe as the Bible says, but are they saved? They don't accept Jesus Christ, God, as God and follow Him but instead follow their own evil ways. All though we all sin, Jesus Christ paid the price for all of us and as long as we're of this flesh we'll sin but as Christians if you are one and if you believe in this, you gotta repent and listen to God the Holy Spirit when He's talking to you. Maybe you guys don't believe in the Bible and don't believe in this theology, but this is what the Bible says and honestly if you ever wanna have a talk with me or whatever that's fine you can message me and check out my profile, aim, msn, or on here whatever. But if you're not in a church right now or if you're just coming to God, or whatever it is, just know God wants you to get closer to Him and unite with believers and the Bible says that all of the believers make up the body of Christ with the head of the church being Jesus Christ. I hope you guys read this, and thanks, cya later. Hopefully you guys will go to church tomarrow! I'm sure God would love it if you could go unless He's got you doing something else in your life!
I'm a Christian. I believe God died for my sins. I know I'm going to Heaven when I die. Its what I believe in. I think if you know the difference between Jesus and Satin, Heaven and Hell, and you choose not to believe in God, then you go to Hell. This is what I believe in, and come on, what have you possibly got to lose then not to believe in God? Dignity? Afraid to lose friends? There are some times when there are more important things...
i was raised christian, and have been baptised and confirmed. but as of late, i've been thinking a lot about religion, and ill admit im a little confused. Originally i didn't really care i just sort of did what i did, as i was raised, but now im getting a little more interested into it, researching-listening to myself. I go to church almost every sunday(mostly against my own will), and ever time i'm there i feel like a stranger, at a cult gathering-it's odd, and i just look around, wondering how all of these people can believe with such stength that there is a God, and Jesus-without any proof or anything-just believing. I myself have a hard time believing that the world was just "created" in seven days, and that God hasn't show himself since then. It just seems more logical and sensible that the Earth slowly grew-be it the big bang or billions of years of just growth. I feel that the commandments are used more of a law, and an easier,guiltier way of controlling people, with out technically telling them that they have to do it. Even though Hell is what is inflicted upon those who don't follow this code. But if you do follow it, you end up in a magical and beautiful place with everyone you've ever loved and known. I think that religion is used for comfort, and hope. I don't think it is humanly possible to know whether there is a God or not-seeing is believing. I'm not resenting or renowncing God-just saying that we can't be certain. I also wonder about other religions, and about their deities(gods). Are all Gods the same, told in different lore and stories? If there is a God, Heaven and Hell-are they all the same place as well, even for different religions? These are just my feelings, if i insulted anyone, i didn't mean to.
Do You Believe? I Do!!! Hey man I'm just wondering, do you believe in the Bible? Cuz man if you do, it says that if you really are a Christian, one of God's redeemed souls, one of His children, someone that accepts and follows Him and Him only, then the Bible says that God the Holy Spirit dwells within you and in your heart, meaning your soul, you do know God. I don't know if anyone here can say that or can believe in that, but I know I do and I'm a happy customer and God treats me as His son, although I'm a sinner and will always be while I'm here in my body.
Mike, as a fellow Christian, I request that you reference your evidence, so as not to confuse anyone. Show me where you found that in the Bible, and what version.
its very blunt, but yes, if you do not believe that jesus christ died for your sake, and to redeem you of your sins, then you will go to hell... but, the bible says something about after the end of the world, there will be a war of some kind where they will go and destroy satan and hell... and POSSIBLY bring all the people from hell back to heaven... ofcourse i could be dreaming.
Again, please, quote your sources. The debate section is where folks can come to have intelligent discussion. Guessing isn't something commonly found intelligent. Where in Revelation did you gather that?
John 15:13-15 "But when He, the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on His own, He will speak only what He hears, and He will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you." That talks a little bit about the Holy Spirit but to go deeper... Romans 8: 9-16 (The whole chapter talks about it, but this is the main point) "You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give likfe to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you. Therefore, brother, we have an obligation-but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by Him we cry "Abba, Father." The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children."
Revelations 20:1-10 talks about satan's doom. Revelations 16:16-21 talks about Armageddon, the war. As for bringing people from hell to heaven who did not accept God, I believe is not supported anywhere in God's Word. It does say that in Revelations 20:15 "If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." We know the Bible says that hell is eternal condemnation in many places and that in Revelations 20 God will judge us according to our transgressions, but those written in the book of life are redeemed and forgiven and will live. According to God's perfect judgement, if you believe God is God and Righteous and Perfect, His judgement is what's right and His perfect judgement is to judge us for sin and condemn those who did not accept Him, John 3:16, who did not believe in Him and accept Him into our lives. Honestly, if you believe this and believe hell is God's eternal judgement, it would not be eternal if He released everyone in hell. Above everything it's whatever God's Will is, but His Word disagrees with that. John 3:16-21 talks more about it, and those that are condemned to hell are those ones that did not accept God, they accepted their own evil and darkness and rejected the light, they rejected God.
Questions Questions for dented_drum: Was woman created from the rib of a man? How old is our planet? When did the dinosaurs live? Did Noah collect 2 of every species on Earth to avoid a worldwide flood? Is there more evidence for evolution or for creation? What is God's purpose for the unbelievably vast size of the universe? Are humans the reason the universe was created? How did our moon form? Do animals have souls? How long have humans existed on this planet? Does the pope, or any other religious figure, communicate directly with god? How did god impregnate Mary? Is Earth at the center of the universe? If god did not exist, would it be necessary for man to invent him? Facts: When the bible was written humans did not yet know: 1. where the sun went at night 2. that the earth is round 3. that the points of light in the sky at night are other suns 4. how babies were conceived 5. why objects fell to the earth(gravity) It must have been a pretty intimidating world they lived in. It must be scary to know so little about the world around you. They must have had a great need to come up with explanations they could understand........
The quoted post of mine has no relevance to your questions. Additionally, I'm not answering all that BS. Please, read through my posts, and challenge them accordingly. Make a founding statement which contradicts mine, within reason, of course. A series of questions serves no purpose. I don't know what point you're trying to make with all that crap; and thus, see no point in answering your questions on things that have no relation to the subject at hand.
Answers The questions are relevant. Your fear to answer them is telling. Your common theme throughout the debate forum is criticism of others regarding their debating tactics. What you are basically saying again and again is that unless a counterpoint is structured exactly the way you want to see it, you will not respond. Besides being relevant to this debate, the answers to these questions will give me a much better understanding of where you are coming from. I will offer answers to any questions you have for me. Even if you list 100 questions I will answer every one. I have no fear of responding to direct questions. In addition to telling me where you stand on religion these questions are meant to provoke deeper thought from other Hubbers scanning our debate. My challenge stands: Answer my questions.......if you dare.
Oh, you mean like...... Heeyah Heeyah Heeyah And Heeyah???? It's obvious that you've given little attention to anything I've said. Don't make claims unless you can back them up. I give four easy examples of posts that took me 10+ minutes. How long do your purposeless questions take? Even better, how much intelligence do those questions reflect on the one posting them? I hold debate standards high. One of those is to not take cheap "well...you're just stupid!" shots. However, I gotta say that this is incredibly difficult. You've neither shown any intelligence of yourself or demanded any intelligence of me. Anything I say from this point on is simply for the purpose of humoring myself to see what excuse for an argument you can comprise next. Wait wait wait. Am I to understand that you criticized my debate tactics of criticizing others debate tactics? Isn't that...like...one of those anomaly things? Could it be an inconsistency? An incongruity??? Whatever your term of choice, it is a valid tactic. I break down your basis of argument. If I can show logically how you lack general common sense, then your argument holds no value. Now, if it's a stance on religion you want, then you shall receive. That is a basic summary. In this particular debate, I am defending. You are attacking (or at least, you're supposed to be) my beliefs/foundations. I don't ask the questions, I counter them. I've only opened my posts up for other purposes because you've truly not probed my thinking train to do anything other than toot its horn really loud like. +++++++EDIT+++++++ My Bible says so: Genesis 2:21–22 it states "And God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; And the rib, which God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man" 'Tis not my place to say. My guess is between 6,000 and 7,000 years. That's based on facts found both in the Bible and in history's books. Again, it's not my place to say. I previously chose not to answer these questions because they're just a waste of time. In no way does this pertain to our debate. I feel as if my IQ is slowly dropping. It's been one, long day because I'm passing up Family Guy for this BS. I believe they existed before the Flood. I also believe (although less factually) that dinosaurs still exist today. We can't see the entire ocean floor at once. There's currently no way of proving that water-dwelling dinosaurs could not have survived the Flood. He "collected" them because God told him to. He didn't avoid a worldwide flood, but he prepared for one. -Matter of opinion. I won't chase your hypothetical rabbit. ...I don't waste my time thinking about stuff like this. I worry about my place as a Christian. I concern myself with my rights and wrongs. The answer to this question will not effect my eternity; therefore, I deem it unnecessary. Also, how the hell would I know?! Again, (this is why I chose not to answer) this is pointless. In the steps of Creation, it lists the creation of man sixth. That's the closest form of an answer I can find. All else is a guess, and I choose not to belittle myself with guesses. LOLWUT?! Pass. See my answer to the question about the length of the earth's existence. Anyone- it's called prayer. - Question designed to make my argument seem inferior or lacking because I'm ignorant of supernatural events. Pass. Our universe? I wouldn't know. So far, I've found not one of these questions (as I had predicted) to be of any value. I answered them to show good faith, but I both highly and fervently regret doing so. Well, this question calls for a world in which God does not exist. I believe in a world in which God DOES exist (see the parenthetically phrased word in this thread's title). Therefore, I couldn't tell you. Prove it. These statements are blank and vague. You weren't there. As I cannot speculate events of the supernatural, you also cannot dictate incidents of a history you didn't live in.