Debate Should Creation be Taught in Schools?

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  1. thelastsparten

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    agreed and to add to that point of concepts all science is is generally excepted theories about the universe there was once a time that scientific fact dictated that the world was flat
     
  2. Ferretness

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    i didnt say science wasn't more practicle. I only stated that at the end of the day all your doing is picking the lesser of two evils. So to speak.
    My point was that the things we take for granted could suddenly change...I'm not sure if its better that I'm right and light does change speed. Or if ti would be better simply as an analogy.
    wtf? Lemmi go get my pitchfork?

    Once again, religion does change.
     
  3. EGP

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    I would actually consider science almost factual altough I am christian, but some things in science i dont agree with such as the big bang theory it bothers me everytime I here it.
    I dont think religion should be tought in schools, you can go to church for that or other organizations.
    Science should still be tought in school and always should
     
  4. Draw the Line

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    Religion in public schools should be taught from a 3rd person perspective. The reason there is so much stereotyping/racism in this world is that people do not understand one another's religious beliefs, assuming they have them.

    Like many have stated already, religion is based upon faith. Science is based off of observations.
     
  5. Ferretness

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    As I already stated. Science is at core a faith-based system. So that should not be a deciding factor.
     
  6. Matty

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    Faith and belief are 2 different things.

    Science relies on belief, not faith.

    Faith implies dependancy,
     
  7. !nikheizen

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    Without giving the reasons why these systems are either faith based, or not, your point should be disregarded due to a lack of evidence, this is a debate, not an argument.
     
  8. Matty

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    And i can prove that?

    How can you disprove it? You have no evidence for what understandings we hold to these matters.
     
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  9. Creeping Death

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    Huh? Science is a faith based system? LOL.


    Why does it bother you? Because you believe it to be untrue? Everyday the worlds collection of high powered Telescopes bear witness to Planets and Galaxies being created through this exact same process. It is just our theory that this is how our Galaxy came to exist also. Are you trying to tell me that in this vast universe, with all of it's planets and stars, that our Galaxy was the only one that wasn't created through this process?

    Very well spoken.
     
  10. !nikheizen

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    No.
    That was @Ferret and DTL, you explained why that was so, despite your point being disputable.
     
  11. aMoeba

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    I say yes. Most people stay atheist after the age of 20, so giving options during school ages is a good idea. However, do not enforce upon them unless the school is based on that sole religion, whatever it may be.
     
  12. Draw the Line

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    How can that be debated?

    In science, we observe something happening. For example, an apple falling from a tree. So we hypothesize why the apple falls....and come to the conclusion that gravity exists. Gravity is a theory, it is an explanation for why something happens. "Gravity" can then be applied to all other objects in the universe. It is a law for how all things behave all of the time. Science is based upon observed facts, things that we see to be true. Religion is based off of the unseen. You cannot see God, and you can never prove his existence (while living at least).

    I'm not quite sure why this is up for debate, it seems pretty open and closed to me. But perhaps I'm missing something.

    I would have thought teaching religion in schools would have been the hot topic....not whether or not science is a religion.
     
  13. thelastsparten

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    i am a christian i have faith and i believe that there is a god belief and faith are interchangeable phrases

    be·lief [​IMG] [​IMG] Audio Help /bɪˈlif/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[bi-leef] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.something believed; an opinion or conviction: a belief that the earth is flat. 2.confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief. 3.confidence; faith; trust: a child's belief in his parents. 4.a religious tenet or tenets; religious creed or faith: the Christian belief.
    [Origin: 1125–75; earlier bile(e)ve (n. use of v.); r. ME bileave, equiv. to bi- be- + leave; cf. OE geléafa (c. D geloof, G Glaube; akin to Goth galaubeins)[​IMG]]

    —Synonyms 1. view, tenet, conclusion, persuasion. 2. assurance. Belief, certainty, conviction refer to acceptance of, or confidence in, an alleged fact or body of facts as true or right without positive knowledge or proof. Belief is such acceptance in general: belief in astrology. Certainty indicates unquestioning belief and positiveness in one's own mind that something is true: I know this for a certainty. Conviction is settled, profound, or earnest belief that something is right: a conviction that a decision is just. 4. doctrine, dogma.

    faith [​IMG] [​IMG] Audio Help /feɪθ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[feyth] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability. 2.belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact. 3.belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims. 4.belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty. 5.a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith. 6.the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith. 7.the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles. 8.Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved. —Idiom9.in faith, in truth; indeed: In faith, he is a fine lad.
     
  14. chiefy11

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    Wait, if they taught us that presidents are elected, than that means what they teach us all cant be true.
     
  15. rusty eagle

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    Faith and belief are similar but not the same.

    I believe the ball will drop; I have faith that the ball will drop

    I trust the ball will drop; I have hope that the ball will drop.

    That is a strong hope of course and it could also mean trust, i.e. I have trust that the ball will drop. Faith and beleif are very similar and not two comletely different things. Faith implies dependancy? How so? If faith requires dependancy then so does belief.

    Belief and faith require trust. I know that the ball will drop. I have faith that my dog will not run away. There is a certain amount of uncertainity, so you believe it be true. I don't fully know that my dog won't run away, but I beleive he won't.

    In reality there isn't much difference.

    Back on topic: It definitely doesn't hurt anyone to hear a five-minute talk about ID. Heck even Einstein believe there was a god, he did not believe in a personal god like many religions do today. But he did believe that the universe came from somwhere. He believed that on no spiritual terms. So yeah, I think it's perfectly fine to teach five minutes worth of ID.
     
  16. KB

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    Yes! Teach both sides and let the students use their mind to decipher what they think is true. Yes it would be biased but give the students other options other than just non-Creationist theories.
     
  17. I No Quarter I

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    No. Never in the history of humanity. If we're going to include creationism, why not include every other possible explanation? include how islam explains the creation of the world, the buddhists, the hindus, the vikings, the greeks, the romans, the scientologists, the jedis etc forever. do you understand how stupid that is? creationism is a theory based on no evidence other than "the universe is so beautiful, it must've been made" and the joke that is "the bible". By no means is evolution perfect, but it fits with all evidence currently found, so currently is the best theory to be taken the most seriously.

    Children should be educated, not indoctrinated
     
  18. KB

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    Through the proocess of education, Children use there MINDS. Give the children a choice! They should present that there are more ideas out there other than evolution. And you are saying the Bible and Creation have no evidence? Creation has been proven correct after studies and experiments. Evolution has been proven WRONG countless number of times. If we are going to just teach kids lies, might as well give them the idea that the truth is out there.


    BTW, I recommend all of you see the movie Expelled.
    It talks about all the FLAWS of evolution.
     
  19. I No Quarter I

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    im sorry, please dont take this the wrong way. but that is one of the most unbelievable things ive ever read. im still struggling to understand a mindset that says something like that.
    "creation has been proven correct after studies and experiments". come on, are you serious? please show me some of these "studies" or "experiements", and i will apologise. but as general understanding goes, what you have written is madness
     
  20. Draw the Line

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    Science has proven that some of the stories in the Bible were influenced by real events, but it has not been proven that creationism is correct. There is a huge difference there.

    And where has evolution been proven wrong?
     

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