the paragraph i wrote was called extremely stupid this is negative it has nothing to do with santa or unicons just like this has nothing to do with the debate
yes but another scientist would disprove your theory as for making the world burn its co2{again science} or people eating meat on a friday!religion has no room for new ideas does that sound smart basing your actions on a book written 1400 years ago with bits missing sorry if that offends you not my intent just stating facts well said titmar
It doesnt make you stupid, it makes you dead inside. But really there's no need to get shitty with each other, people have different beliefs, get used to it. If someone belives something different to you, it doesnt give you the right to attack them.
WHAT THE **** LMFAO!!! I can't believe the way some people think... OMG LOL!! I don't even know where to start xD Okay umm... Let's start with the whole "its just the same i could go become a random scientist and study some complete crap and make up a story to make me lots of money. i could just do that." Well no you just can't go and become a scientist and have people believe any story you make up. You would be laughed at and shunned... It's funny that you think you can though. Give it a go imo =] "people like you believing in crap like this is whats making this world burn." Wait what? Burning Earth now? Uhmm... I don't really know how to respond to this so yeah... "reynbow you believing in evolution is making you stupid." Says the one who believes in a magically mystically creatures in the clouds tellign you to follow his rules to get through some giant golden gates... Lol sorry, I couldn't help myself... Logic>Religion WOAH WTF LOL!! Oh god daymn... You really are messed up... Wow... Just wow... So basically you're saying that people that think for themselves and use their brain productively figuring out how the world works, are all actually stupid? WTFLOL! You're insane! You're completely deluded... I don't know what to say to you... There is absolutely nothing I can say that would actually snap you out of this crazyness... As Pen and Teller once said, those who have faith can never be swain. I honestly feel sorry for you guys... I'm pretty damn speechless at the moment...
So wait... evolution made the plants and flies and animals, but humans just magically appeared? Au contraire, (sp?) Jayclash, its people like YOU who are making our world ****ing stupid. Get a clue.
I honestly never thought there would ever be a day when I say this so please note that this is actually quite a profound statement I am about to make. Titmar and Myself are the only ones who actually seem to be thinking straight (no pun) in this thread. I completely agree with what you have just said Titmar
I do believe in some kind of god, but I wont dedicate my life to him. I also believe in some kind of after life, but I wont dedicate my life to it. But I in absolultelt no way consider myself to be a religious person. My philosophy on life is to lead a worth while life. If I enjoy life then, IMO, that's all I want.
What about me. I'm not being irrational. I'm being open minded I'm fearing Xenu, is that a crime. lol
Not necessarily, and i believe you mean "ignorance?" Anyways, i do believe in evolution and *most* parts of the bible. Its really all about sorting through it, finding whats relevant and whats not, and finding a way to mesh science with it. If god created everything and all the animals and left them and the earth for 4 billion years (research it - thats how old the earth is believed to be), do you think that nothing at all would change? We can see in the last 100 years many chages to our earth. And for those early species, maybe they had to change with the changing earth. God created everything, but he didnt have to create it all at once. He can create as he goes along, cant he? One of the most basic principles i was taught was that god made you or your neighbor special and all that fun stuff, but with each new being he could so choose to change them ever so slightly to prepare for a new earth or to adapt to a new climate. Bottom line - Im trying really hard to mesh science and religion here and its not going well, but what i am trying to say is that i can be worked out from both perspectives. But Evolution had to have happened. There is more than enough evidence supporting it, especially DNA tracing (mitochondrial DNA, look it up). And a disclaimer: I am not too deeply religious, for me its just about finding the little things i can believe in within the whole big picture of the bible or whatever. Some things i just cant believe in. I can be at least somewhat religious and believe in evolution, however, as i have shown above.
+rep to all who posted south park references in here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ2o0FP3ESY Anyway I think this whole issue is ridiculous. I'm christian but honestly the creation story in the bible isn't entirely true, and neither is evolution. There probably is some truth to both of them or some way they go together that we don't know about but both sides are two stubborn to agree in any way. The dumbest creation story of them all is that there was nothing and then nothing exploded and became the universe and that there is no reason for us to be here other than a bunch of random **** happening. Most scientists don't even really believe in the big bang theory they just say that its the best theory at the moment, that's not good enough. I read somewhere in TIME magazine that the chances of all the random coincidences that supposedly made earth and humanity according to sciences is so incredibly small that there's no way it could've happened without something causing it to. Basically for any of this stuff you cannot rely on science or religion to entirely explain any of it because neither side truly can, and in all honestly humans will probably never find out how they were created anyway in the foreseeable future. I think that this is a pretty useless argument because it's really just science vs. religion which is a truly terrible issue to argue about considering neither side will change their view no matte how you look at it. I hope this gets closed.
This post will be a comprehensive rebuttal to everything said thus far. The Bible should not be drawn into a scientific debate as an infinite source of knowledge. What I find ironic, is evolution does not deal with the creation or formation of life, it comprehensively covers diversity, mutation, and selection. Deut. 22: 20-21: "But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father's house. So you shall put away the evil from among you. 1Tim 2:12: And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. Exodus 20: 7-8: And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. Exodus 20: 20-21: And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, she shall not be punished; for he is his property. 2Kings 2: 23-24: Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the Lord. And two female bears came out of them woods and mauled forty-two of the youths. Nitrous 22: 3-4: And he said, go unto the scientists and find the smartest most renown amongst the Lord. Command unto him, give me a time machine or a virgin and he will surely give you the power to control time. Aim for the dark ages and check out a world without science, entirely run by fear of God. Bring me back some black death. Bible time is over. Your post made me realize how little you know about the scientific community or the peer to peer revision system they follow. In order to get funding to do what they do, they must first apply for a grant and send them a hypothesis of what they expect to happen under certain conditions with a certain material. If they are successful they begin to experiment on the subject at hand for about 5 years. Once they have determined that repeatablility is possible, they submit they're piece to a scientific journal. Other scientists then study what the other scientist did and attempt to repeat the experiment. They will do this for another 5 years. If completes this 10 year process it becomes a theory and recognized by the scientific community as fact. 10-20 years later it makes it's way into a school curiculum. You are absolutely right, thats Abiogenesis(life) and Planetary Evolution(planet)! Glad we're on the same page. What is puzzling about you, is you seem to admit evolution in a creature whose genome is larger than ours. Can evolution only occur in some organic lifeforms, or can evolution work in all organic lifeforms like thousands of scientists accept? Really? I thought the crusades, holocaust, KKK, and republicans are making the world worse? Hmm. Crusades - Christian warriors seeking to conquer the holy land. Holocaust - Roman Catholic Cult. KKK - Christian males using the Bible to insight intolerance in the name of God. Republicans - ... Well then of course there is you. Calling people stupid because they don't accept the same faith you do. You are no worse than the people you seem to fictionalize and hate. Perhaps the stupid one, is the person who kneels by his bed and talks to his hands, while pretending a God up above is telling him, he is right and should ignore study and practice in favor of ignorance and hate. Your God sure has done a number on this world. When is it man's time to rule? Evolution = Science Scientology = Religion Cults = Religion Laws = Human morality Science is not a new subject, science has been around for thousands of years. They're have been atheists since the dawn of man. It is interesting though that you call evolution a scam which is science, and consider scientology not to be a scam. Evolution - Money Earned = Grants for study and experimentation. (No personal dollars earned) Scientology - Money Earned = Brainwashing believers into giving their houses to scientology. Christianity - Money Earned = Making people sit through an hour of old man rambling about hell, and then asking for donations to keep the church alive and save more souls. Christianity earns $93 billion dollars yearly. Just so they can cut you and sell you a band-aid. No its intolerance. You know, gay marriage, abolishment of slavery, interracial marriage, and women's right to vote. Religion is on the forefront of denying freedoms of the minorities and hating what they don't understand. I.e. Evolution. A majority of scientists do accept the big bang. There will always be a debate within science but that doesn't mean there isn't a consensus. The Big Bang actually states that from a singularity space, time, and matter expanded and continues to expand today. It describes the 4 forces as they were and how they came to be what they are today. It describes the formation of elementary particles and how they eventually formed atoms and eventually went on to form galaxies. It describes many phenomena in the theory and at this point is considered by cosmologists as fact. To be philosophically correct, the most probable. TIME is not a peer-reviewed scientific journal. That's not fair to say! Scientists work very hard at what they do, you should cut them some slack. Nothing is ever set in stone but at least we have a pretty good idea on how the evidence points to what should have occurred. String Theory > Big Bang > Galactic formation > Stellar Evolution > Planetary formation > Abiogenesis > Evolution > Modern Science > The computer > This debate. I hope I made some sort of impression upon you that will maybe coerce you to be more ready to study and become more knowledgeable in the field of science.
Seeing how Nitrous pretty much covered everything I thought I'd just add one tiny little thing in. It's called natural selection. Basically put, survival of the fittest.