Debate Abortion yes or no?

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  1. Roche178

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    Well I figure since this will inevitably be started I will post it, I personally say no because I feel it is like murder, I mean what right do we have to say if a child lives or dies?

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  2. Nitrous

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    Wouldn't you say no if you think it's murder?
     
  3. Mastar

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    Don't you mean No? lol

    EDIT: Nitrous you beat me to it D;
     
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  4. Roche178

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    My bad mistyped, sorry.

    That little mistake out of the way what are your opinions?
     
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  5. wiggums

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    i say no, it IS murder, and definitely should be considered it.
     
  6. Knight Kninja

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    yes. up to a certain period. i dont care if it has fingernails or not.
     
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  7. faceplanter7774

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    abortion sucks, i mean u wouldnt be living right now if ur parents would have abortion. its just bad
     
  8. Mastar

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    although you wouldnt realise that you wernt living because you never would have lived faceplanter 0.o

    but I know what you mean


    Maybe there could be a law placed that you can only get an abortion within the first 2 months of pregnancy or something like that?

    Also, a law that abortions are only allowed for under 25 year olds? Because teenage pregnancy is a pretty big problem these days. Although Im not sure it should override the decision of wether a kid lives a life or not..
     
  9. Lil Kru8

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    Its tough to say. In normal cases I would say no. However, what if the girl was raped and got pregnant. In that situation i could see it being allowed so with me i guess it just depends on the situation.
     
  10. Iv0rY Snak3

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    hmm i disagree with it, but when i was in my schools PDHPE room, there was a poster stating that something like 30% of teen pregnancies end that way. i know it's different for teens, but it's still bad when you think about it...
     
  11. Roche178

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    In my opinion life begins at conception, once the egg is fertilized, then the process of new life has already begun and to kill that new developing life should only be acceptable in extreme, desperate occasions when the life of the mother is in danger I would consider anything else murder.
     
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  12. Reynbow

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    Well firstly there is a law like that, though I'm not sure on when it's up till.

    You people don't seem to be thinking very well.

    Firstly, a child costs quite a large sum of money and ALL pregnancies should put that into consideration. Children costs thousands upon thousands of dollars and will change your life FOREVER. So if you can not afford a child you should not have one. Not only will it make your life worse but you will be responsible for bringing a child up in horrible conditions, and all life deserves more.

    Secondly, think about this. What if a 16 or 17 year old girl gets raped and falls pregnant from that? You're saying she should have her life changed entirely and possibly put her young body at risk (of possible death) because some sicko decided to rape her? That's completely absurd...

    Abortion is very helpful to absolutely everybody. I couldn't imagine what it would be like to have a child at my age, and I'm 19. Could you imagine having a child at your age? Abortion only makes sense.

    The only people trying to stop it are the people that listen to the religious propaganda about abortion.

    And with all debates like this, usually the stupid people overwhelm the people actually using their brains to make their decisions. Not letting the puppets control you.

    I could go on forever...

    EDIT: In response to the murder thing. Life does not begin at conception, if it did, then a woman who has had more than one period is a serial killer. Assuming you all know that a period is what happens when a fertilized or non fertilized egg is flushed out of the system

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    I think its ok before 2 months. But I'm on the fence even with that. The only really supporting argument I can have is that living might be worse in the conditions that they would be born in.
     
  14. Shanon

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    I agree, especially if the only way to save a mother would have to be to abort the child, because there are some cases where a mother would die during labor and the only way to live would have to abort it so yea. But if the mother was just getting an abortion to just not want to have the child, then yes it is wrong.
     
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    If two junkies get high and end up having unprotected sex, if they fall pregnant, should a child have to be brought up like that? Would you like to be surrounded by drugs and poverty?
     
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  16. Lil Kru8

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    I agree with you Reynbow and I don't. I don't agree with them costing to much as yes they do but if they cant afford the kid they can put them up for adoption. There are plenty of families they want kids, but cant have them so why not help them out in that sense. As for the girl getting raped I all ready stated that yeah that is different situation that should be brought into consideration. But other then that I can't think of a situation where it should be allowed.
     
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    This thread is based on opinions. post resources and facts people. But reynbow has a good point.
     
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  18. Shanon

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    Yes i totally forgot about adoption, kindalike in the movie JUNO (my fav of all time). JUNO is a prime example of why abortion should be the last thing to consider.
     
  19. Soggydoughnuts

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    MAJOR REASON FOR ABORTION %

    • Inadequate finances 21%
    • Not ready for responsibility 21%
    • Life would be changed too much 16%
    • Problems with relationship; unmarried 12%
    • Too young; not mature enough 11%
    • Children are grown; woman has all she wants 8%
    • Fetus has possible health problem 3%
    • Woman has health problem (not life threatening) 3%
    • Pregnancy caused by rape, incest 1%
    • Other 4%
    Note that only 1 percent of abortions are for Rape or Incest and
    only 3 percent are for the health of the woman (not the life, but
    the health).
    This means that over 1.28 Million abortions are for the
    convenience of the woman, not because the mother’s life is
    in danger, and not because of rape or incest.

    Just thought I would throw that out there. I am very strong against abortion because it is killing a child. Take this situation for example.

    Let’s say you have a kid. One day while you are working on the computer or watching TV your kid comes up behind you and
    says:
    "Hi Dad, can I kill this?"

    What is your immediate response?
    "What is IT?"
    Or first you say
    " NO." Then you say: "What is IT?"
    But why do you ask that question? Well, you ask that question because if it is a roach or a mosquito. Then quick kill it. But if it is the next-door neighbor’s puppy, then you have a problem with your kid. And if it’s the next-door neighbor’s pesky 4-year-old son, you have an even bigger problem with your kid.

    Why do you ask that question? Because it is important! It is very important. So when someone asks me if abortion is OK, I ask “what are you aborting?” If you are aborting a lump of your own tissue.
    Then that’s up to you. But if you are aborting a human being then NO!
    If the unborn is not human, then no justification is needed for abortion. But on the other hand if the unborn IS human or if we are not sure, then no justification is possible.

    I agree but What is IT? If the fetus is human, are we to let someone kill another person because they can’t afford to take care of them? Would we allow a woman with a one-day-old child who suddenly lost her job, kill that one-day-old because she no longer can afford to feed it?

    In addition remember the economic argument given by the Southern Farmers…sure slavery is bad, but we can’t afford to run our farms without them. Is this a valid argument?

    Ah but you may say, the fetus is not a one-day-old child. OK so we agree that the issue is not if the woman can afford the
    child or if it’s a private matter etc. The issue is if the fetus is human like a one-day-old child.

    Can you confirm or deny if a unborn is human? If not how can you say its not?


    -Donuts
     
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  20. Sheogorath

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    Well im about to be the 'host flamed' here but if a child is raised in a home without proper finances or a lack of responsibility in my opinion it really would be better not to have this child not because of the damages to the person birthing the child but because the child will probably lead a less than successful life now adoption is an option but for every kid placed in an orphanage the budget for the orphanage will now also have to accommodate the child now in theory this is not too much of a problem but when we get into hundreds of kids being placed into orphanages the budget may get a little tight also eventually these orphanages will run out of room so than we either have to A: have the mother continue to parent the child where it may not get the attention/care it needs or B: kill it in life now this option is worse than abortion as the child has to feel death while with abortion this is not a problem it is painless and the child will never know it existed because it didn't. now also technically a developing fetus is not a baby until it reaches a certain stage although slightly unethical removing this fetus is a sure way that our resources and time are not spent on a poor soul that may not fully enjoy life. Now if you are religious this is a different story as your beleifs may be violated by your having an abortion and i understand this now if you don't have the money or responsibillity to look after a child it really will be one of those what matters more to you? scenarios i know im going to have many disagree and probably be flamed so *gets anti flame suit* but this is a very tricky question and have tryed my best to look at other veiwpoints sincerly -java
     

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