Finally got my roof figured out. Now it is nothing but object replacement and aesthetics boys. Let's hope I don't spend the majority of my time on OW now. Also, played a 2v2 on Halo 5 this weekend @xzamplez can confirm, I am a scumbag.
Clamber isn't pushing ramps into obsolescence. You even answer it earlier in the paragraph; clamber locks you out of attacking for a moment. And to add to that, you can use a ramp as a headglitch or bounce grenades. I never said it was making ramps obsolete in every scenario. Obviously they can still be used to some degree, but the quickest path from point a to B will always be a straight line. Clamber allows you to navigate in a straight line more so, because you can bypass the intentionally designed pathways, and climb over everything. I can tell you that as a designer who has been doing this for a decade, level design becomes much more shallow with stuff like this, and until you understand level design at a higher level, you can't effectively argue that clamber actually improves the game. You can like it and try to justify it as much as you want, but it is objectively obtrusive. Also it cannot breed interesting gameplay, because it means one player is at a disadvantage by not shooting. The interesting gameplay comes from two people who are 100% capable at all times, and seeing how they interact with each other. So until you explain why it improves gameplay, you aren't making any valid argument here. Humans are not robots, we will never be perfect. One person is bound to make a mistake, and the attacker will recognize this opportunity and take advantage of it. If someone isnt able to secure a kill, it was not ment for them to have. Here is a game clip I recorded of a perfect example because of how stupidly exaggerated the whole encounter is. This guy had the advantage inicially, but couldnt finish me off. I outplayed him. (albeit, after we both made many many mistakes) First off, that was a train wreck of an encounter. It drug on for about 20 seconds because both players were doing awful, but also because the thruster allowed you to survive longer when you should have died. You used it twice in that encounter. That should never happen. Now, you're right, humans make mistakes, and it is up to one person to punish the other for their mistake. But the thruster was helping you escape death by easily avoiding critical hits. This means you were not punished because your abilities were a safety net. Now that clip was a bad example because you both sucked, but even so, it should have ended much quicker than it did. Only it didn't, because your abilities allowed you to escape punishment for your stupid movement. You poked out, and were about to get finished, but you thrusted back. If you didn't have that thing, you would have died, and the player who made the right push would have won. Instead, he was cheated out of his kill, and you were rewarded even though you were the one who messed up. You say this isnt an opinon, but this is quite literally an opinion. lol. If the person Im shooting is able to run away, then I didnt deserve the kill. Weather I challenged him at a poor moment, or I lacked the accuracy to kill him, it is my poor judgement/skill that left me without the kill. These are features I enjoy in this game, you do not. We both have our preferences, this is called an opinion. No. If the person is able to run away at the same speed as you, you didn't earn the kill yet. If he is able to sprint away at a faster speed than you can follow AND shoot at the same time, then that is bullshit, unfair, and not interesting. Yeah you can sprint after him, but then you can't shoot, which means you are being punished for attempting to finish your kill. That isn't balanced. Yeah his shields don't recharge, but that doesn't matter because he can still effectively get away when he shouldn't have been able to. If you think that is balanced, you're wrong. Opinions get you nowhere, I'm explaining why these things are negative gameplay factors, and you are copping out of the argument. Nobody cares if you enjoy the features and I don't. That isn't the point. If you dont like it, and it doesnt effect map design, dont use it. Simple as that. This is actually the dumbest argument anyone can make. Think about what you're saying here. You just agreed it does literally nothing, but it should stay in the game. You aren't even making a point. Why should we add or keep mechanics that bring nothing to the table? Keep it but don't use it? Use it but it does nothing? That is actually the dumbest thought process yet. Get rid of it. the person who is being spartan charged has more than enough time to do damage to their attacker. More often than not, I find it a burden to use. Its a very situational feature and I wouldnt miss it in all honesty. People spartan charge around corners, and behind you, that means you don't have enough time to damage the attacker, because you cannot physically shoot them. If you are bull rushing someone from the front, you deserve to die obviously. But that virtually never happens. Either way, you still didn't acknowledge the power of the ability in the first place. A stronger melee with a larger range, that is directly tied to the already inherently flawed sprint. Again, you have no point in justifying it, but if you wouldn't miss it, that's fine. To make for more interesting encounters. Would you rather watch someone play tick tack toe or chess? So abilities that remove functionality in favor of a different function... You are actually advocating for Rock paper scissor gameplay, not chess. Lol yes it is. If you dive into the philosophy on what makes something objective, opinionated, or fact; you can plaster on any one of these labels. And if you think you can label anything as opinion or subjective, you don't understand philosophy at it's core, nor do you understand arguments or game design. Having fun with a video game that is designed for people to have fun with is wrong. Got it. I don't have fun with sprint or abilities, therefore your argument is nonexistent. Look, Halo is a competitive FPS arena shooter. It is designed to be competitive, not "fun". You play competitive games because you enjoy competitiveness. Which makes the game fun. This a base and sprint movement speed problem, not an ability problem. The master chief in halo 3 moved 12mph. In halo 5, he moves 16mph without sprint. with sprint it is 20mph. The sword brings those numbers to 18 and 22 I believe. Your anger is misplaced. sprint IS an ability. Not to mention the other abilities increase the speed a player moves directly, and it snowballs from there. If everyone only had base movement speed, it wouldn't matter how fast everyone was going, because we would all be on equal playing field, and the truly better players would succeed. Yes I think that is reduculous. That is why the maps feel stretched. that is why the spartans look tiny in them but this is an issue with base movement speed, not sprint. lmao no. That makes zero sense. It doesn't matter how fast the BMS is because everyone is the same. It only gets bad when additional movement speeds get introduced. That is fact. If you dont like it, disable it. Problem solved. So If I don't like murder, I won't murder. Therefore the murder problem in America is solved, right? What an ignorant statement. lol I would bet 100 dollars 99.9999% of halo 3 players have never pulled this off in an actual game. Anyway, this is a trick shot. There is nothing practicle about throwing away a sniper with almost 2 whole mags left if this was a competative match. I was able to land a 720 YY fakie quickscope in Modern warfare 2. Its all for show. This doenst mean that the match was competative. It means he is infinitely more skilled than the average player, and abilities lower the skill gap in achieving things like this, which means the competitiveness is tarnished, and the game is dumbed down. It has nothing to do with ammo, or the rest of the match. It is just a perfect example of how abilities remove the skill gap between good players and bad ones. There are tons of examples like this as for why abilities improve gameplay. They do belong in the game no matter how you try to justify removing them. You haven't proven in a single instance how they do improve gameplay that I haven't already destroyed. It feels like you have no idea what you are talking about honestly. You don't make counter arguments, you just dance around what I disprove. Also, please check your spelling. It is almost impossible for me to take people seriously when they misspell everything.
We can argue all day about how objectively better someones opinion is. I (and many other people) enjoy halo 5's advanced movement mechanics. No ammount of wining from forgehub people will make me un-enjoy it. btw this is an internet video game forum comment, not my senior thesis. I dont care to copy/paste this comment into word and spell check, so Im sorry if I offend anyone for misspelling a word or two.
Literally nobody is saying you can't enjoy it, we're just trying to make you understand that its fundamentally broken and awful. More power to ya man...
I knew it. It doesn't take much to get certain people here really worked up. At first I was like maybe... then I saw how you continued to approach your argument and was sold. You could like Halo 5 for all I know but you knew exactly what would happen if you brought that up here. Bravo. 10/10. Would watch you troll again.
I don't think that rectangle is quite a square... And to be fair everyone's opinion is stupid when compared to the smartest person in the world
It's 100% true that I enjoy halo 5's movement. I'm not saying advanced movement is fundamentally better, just that I like it better than basic movement. I think the closest I've gotten to dictating fundamentals was when I said AM should be in halo 6 because most people enjoy it. (if I did at some point and I just dont remember, then I was taking the piss) I think the problem was everyone took what I was saying and interpreted it as me telling they why they have to like Halo 5's movement. When really, I was just explaining what I liked. If anyone here likes basic movement, Im completely ok with that. I dont go around expecting everyone to agree with me on everything opinion I have. That would be boring as hell and I would be miserable; plus we would be missing out on all the intellectual discussions we have now. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I promise that is my last comment on AM dont ban me plz Ill post map update later tonight too make up for it
Honestly you can only say halo is objectively broken when you can define what is correct behavior for halo. The problem you all have is none of you are any authority on the definition of Halo game playing. I submit into evidence the decision by Microsoft to give that authority exclusively to 343. Now having said that, there are official statements by bungee that you can use to define what Halo should have continued to be. But in all honesty, you need to just let it go, and embrace the fact that halo has evolved into something completely different by a group of developers that never liked what it once was.
SHEEP!!! --- Double Post Merged, May 22, 2017 --- I think opinions are dumb. I think people are really bored. I think I should get on xbox and finish my map.Orplayoverwatch.