Its not like we've been talking about a map that's over a year old, that everyone compares their own map to, that sparked this 11 page thread and another 20 in the WAYWO, that earned a AAA developer design position, that people are studying to try and find flaws, that gets brought up in any irrelevant conversation...
I mean it one of the most, if not the most, thematic maps in forge.... That combined with multis Archer ego and inability to handle any negative feedback for the map its no wonder.
I handle negative feedback on my shitty map the Shire every day lmao. But I know when something works and your intuition on just about every is polar opposite of the truth. But again if we're going by your standards, I want you to not post until you literally make a good map ever.
I don't give a **** about making maps you enjoy. Im not the biggest fan of your play preferences for H5. You know.... It's almost like I make my maps for the gameplay I enjoy. ****ing crazy right!?
Okay, hold on. So if I say your maps play like ****, that's okay because you make them for the style you enjoy. But when my map supposedly plays like ****, it's because I don't know how to design a map. Oh okay. Good to know. I design for the base game, and I'm good at it. You pretend we're playing battlefield and make 2 foot bathroom stalls but that's okay. And you have the gall to tell anyone their maps play like anything. At the end of the day my maps don't fall apart when someone wants to win, they speed up. Yours revolve around crouching in an endless maze. That's the difference here.
I'm so confused about why this disagreement keeps persisting. On the one hand, we have people that seem to be trying to take Multi down a notch (I get the sense that whether or not there are legitimate points to be made about how the map plays, that the purpose behind the critiques is literally to bring Multi down a notch because people perceive him as having a large ego. I don't know or care if he does, but approaching a discussion with that intent is stupid.) On the other hand, we have Multi attacking the people that are challenging him and his map, discounting everything from their intelligence to the quality of their maps, regardless of whether or not it has any relevance (it doesn't). Approaching the discussion from that direction is equally stupid. This back and forth needs to die. I keep checking this thread, hoping there's going to be some fruitful discussion, but it seems to be a lost cause. It's to the point that I literally don't want to visit the site because I'm tired of reading stupid, petty arguments. I'll just mind my business now and stay out of it, but I hope the bickering stops soon.
Because camping in the nadeable as hell bathrooms on departure is really gonna help a team win or even slow the game down lol. And my map Andesian that got **** on by the lighting update, you know, that map was total trash even tho it was one of demps lobbys most loved maps. A map you yourself actually helped quite a bit on, yea, that was **** too. Wait.... Your the one who won't even make a 4v4 in this game cuz your so afraid of feedback you don't want your ego hurt so you make 2v2 you can play with small circles of friends that will give you the feedback you want. Gotcha
Haha holy crap salty. It's pretty obvious that you don't like Multi, but you could take it down a notch. Also, how much a demption lobby like a map isn't and shouldn't be used as a metric for quality ahahaha
The designers gameplay goal was to troll people and not get into matchmaking but still got into matchmaking ere was no goal it's optic prison
It's simple, Chunk Show. On one corner of this debacle, you have a guy that managed to progress enough in his early life in something and managed to cut a break with some of the big guys in business. Good for him, right? But on the other corner, we have a problem. The people that have also worked approximately the same amount of time have seen this man's goal accomplished. And whether or not they want to admit it, they are jealous of that accomplishment. And, I'm willing to bet, those same people would be lashing out at me for saying that, were it not that I just mentioned that they will. Or, they'll respond to me anyway. People are confusing. In any case; people want to study on how one guy managed to get higher up in the "race" because he made some cool ****. So they start studying and give out feedback on this guy's old ****, reaaaaally give him the great constructive feedback that he... Oh wait, that's not what's happening, now is it? Here's where we get to the Pride aspect of this whole dilly dally (And boy am I already getting tired of pointing this out). The feedback no longer becomes feedback. Instead it becomes rude pegging, which of course most people would respond with more rude pegging, and so on and so forth. This is the result of a community slowly growing bitterness towards everyone and everything in it. You have a man who hates how the game functions, but doesn't get the **** out and move forward because he's stuck. You have a stoned troll who purposely makes maps that play like something else entirely out of a joke, but gets way too upset when he's given a concise reason as to why his more serious works just aren't great either. You have a man that wants to look like he has so much hidden talent behind his back, but is constantly making himself more like an absolute fool the more he tries to explain his reasoning. And of course, you have the liar. Forgehub is giving me a headache. But I'll fight the pain just to see all the stupid **** that happens inside of it broil.
Also, the base game was made for 2v2!? It totally wasn't made for 12v12 battlefield style, pure team dependent play to sell req packs. Nawwwwww. Totally made for 2v2 bro, the base settings and maps are totally a reflection of that!
I've tried desperately to stay out of this, but I've got to say something here. I like you @MultiLockOn . You're a nice guy & you helped me as much as you could in the beginning of H5 even though my maps were crap lol. But every time I've been in a party with you you were cool, very positive and helpful guy. I also like you @SaltyKoala . I haven't had a ton of interaction with you but what I have you were also cool and helpful and I used to be a stoner so there's that, lol. But this whole thread has not helped you Multi, in the aspect of looking like an ego maniac. I hate to risk you not liking me anymore but this is just how it looks to me from a bystanders pov. I've seen 3 maybe 4 people who play different AND forge different and come at this video game in different ways and approached. They all try to give their opinions on your map (some rude, some nice) and all of them get shut down by you right away and deemed liars or just plain wrong. They give you their experiences they had on your map but NOPE, they are wrong. Doesn't matter how good their points are or how much sense they make or how many other people feel the same way, they are just wrong and you are right and there is not a single thing wrong with your one and only perfect map that is without flaw. See what I'm saying? Ace and Goat agree with some of the points but if xzamples, Purelyfat, or Salty were to say the same thing Ace or Goat say you lash out at them and make sure everyone knows how stupid and wrong their opinions are. Like I said I'm not trying to talk **** to you but man this isn't helping your argument when you get so defensive at any and all negative feedback. Without playing the map I will say that it's freakin dark man. Spartans may be bright but they aren't lights. They don't illuminate their surroundings so if the area you are in is dark then your bright guy doesn't help. That DOES affect gameplay whether you or Given think so or not. That's something you can judge without playing the map so that's all I can really give you but y'all are acting like that's wrong and the darkness doesn't affect the map in any way. Gameplay being affected negatively by anything is negative. No ifs buts or ands about it. What I don't understand is a guy at your level of creativity and abilities being SO unable to handle the negative feedback that's meant to help you. You and Given both are like hyenas pouncing on anything anyone says about Oblivion that isn't praise. Please, both of you have been cool to me throughout our small relationships so don't take this as an attack and start hating on me. Feel free to go back to any of my maps but it won't help because I haven't been relevant since Reach but I have witnessed all of this. Peace & love guys.
This, this, so much this. Like I want to post more than that because I agree with it so much, but you hit the nail on the head. Seriously Multi, listen to Zombie here. Like actually read it and think about it.
Annnnd in the other corner we have the autistic soul flame who never fit in with the kewl kids in highschool so says awesome **** to get the loves from multi and given. I think it's awesome Multi got a job with treyarch. I've complimented him often on it. Game design is a hobby for me and simply that. I love my job and wouldn't trade it in a second to go work for any major game company or anything else for that matter. Keep digging tho bro.