https://trello.com/b/Vcri0OYQ/4v4-maps --- Double Post Merged, Feb 9, 2017 --- Top selections look pretty good so far but everything else on that list feels too minecrafty to me
@MultiLockOn Yeah but your logic is to split the parties up top which automatically gives them a disadvantage if a team stacks a push to a side. The map is not unpredictable. The map is very predictable that is why it is not a great idea to split the team between the two spots especially with the one side being as cramped as it is. Green has 3 options to get an angle on the middle. Push through the cellar, bottom mid, or the shortcut. They vary in exposure to both sides and by sending 3 one way and having one watch middle you can at least create 3v2 situation. If the top team is split, the other two are unable to get an angle on the people pushing the one side. They can eliminate the one who was sent middle but this will put them at a disadvantage by pulling them out of this position or should if the person playing the middle plays the situation correctly. The only thing that is holding this back is how cramped the approaches to the sides are. Which is something I believe he is working to fix. I also believe the map will slow down at times do to teams not wanting to make a mistake. The map does lack in the number if ways to play it though. --- Double Post Merged, Feb 9, 2017 --- Can it be a church? **** it. It is going to be a church and a clock tower.
i think we should **** the tower, the last image looks sexy as **** with 92' domed ceilings, stained glass windows and spiraling staircases between levels.
See I'm not even interested in discussing how to fix it because there's a 101 ways to go about it. It's questionably easy, but I need to see the changes made. The exact method is irrelevant. Also, you literally just said the people up top have no clue which way the bottom team is pushing. That's unpredictable.
Well, it is vary probably they know where they are pushing. There is a 1/3 chance they will push in any direction. The only thing that is not determined is the number that pushes that way. So, if a team consistently tries to split 2 to each side the other team has an advantage by being able to stack more players going in a direction of their choice. The only thing that makes holding two to each side effective at all is how narrow the halls are. --- Double Post Merged, Feb 9, 2017 --- Church it is then.
I am just joking around. Don't read into it. @A 3 Legged Goat Designed it. Might needs some tweaks because of size but I have a general concept. I was thinking it would a throne room of a castle and the areas around it perimeter.
@MultiLockOn You most certainly did say all the maps were trash/terrible selections and did so on multiple occasions. Maybe you dont even realize you said it. The real problem Im seeing here is that you fundamentally lack understanding as to how the map should be played. The way you claim it should be played does not work, has never worked and will only work if your playing a team with much less skill. It was due to this mindset that your team LOST the stronghold match you played on it. It may be hard to accept, but sometimes the way a map appears it should be played, is the wrong way to play it. I will be making a game-play breakdown of the map once I finish updating it and get two teams of high level players to play the map. But as I said earlier, Im done having this discussion in WAYWO. If you want a PM of my responses to all your points ill gladly send them to you but I doubt you care to waste anymore of your time with this.
I think you guys need to get into a party together. Just you two and no one else. Go on the map. Updated or not and talk about it. Nate we can hold off on the Exterm map for this. I would prefer you two to figure this out. Also, @Xandrith I'm sorry.
Tis a good idea but weve already done that and it wont accomplish much. Im going to be finding teams of 4 to play the map and figure this out on my own. I dont disagree with all the points he has made, but Its very clear he lacks understanding of the maps subtleties, so its hard to take feedback when he cant see things that are very obvious and apparent to me. Honestly I dont really care to push the map, as I know its not going into MM at this point, but I would like to figure out how its going to play at the highest level. Hell, maybe multi is 100% right about it. Which could be the case. The map is an artistic representation of what makes Halo exciting for me, so its insulting to me when It gets downtalked by someone I looked up to. Usually I don't forge selfishly, but in this case I am.
Then after I block out goats map. We can work on the Extermination map. I get there are definitely issues with the map. What I think is the flaw just differs from what he thinks. @Xandrith forgive me.
@A 3 Legged Goat @purely fat Yeah you're gonna need to make that clocktower ASAP. That's a dope theme. Check the sections of the A Series of Unfortunate Events movie where Lemony Snicket is in the top of a clock tower like that for more inspiration. They really nailed the atmosphere with those scenes.
Lame. Scripting a second hand that you can walk on as it ticks around the clock would be super dope. Making the minute hand gradually give access to a different route that wasn't available at the beginning of the March would be a cool idea too.
Ahh!!! inconsistencies brain hurts. I would have to think about that so much to figure out a way to make it work in a way I was okay with. I am having nightmares about the elevators on hollywood. @A 3 Legged Goat I count 5 spiral staircases.