I ain't hating on you or Salty here... More hating on the friends that'll be blowing you about how amazing these maps are. I remember awhile back in a customs lobby I held, there was a Sangheilios map submitted where the kid made all his own pieces and Multi **** on it for using prefabs. Map played like **** anyhow, but the **** talking the use of "stolen prefabs" (even though the kid made them himself), but turning around and praising someone that uses a dev made asset is pretty hypocritical. As Salty said, names don't mean ****... But there are a few names that could literally make a piece of **** and get praise for days. It's whatevs though, circle jerking has always been part of the norm in the forge community.
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say. I don't see any hypocrisy in praising the usage of "prefabs" or "kit pieces" or whatever else if it's a solid map. This particular aesthetic just happened to be very difficult to pull off prior to this update. I guarantee that if we had a Sangheli contest prior to this update, most of the maps would have ended up having the same piece usage with the main differences being art direction and design. Yes these new pieces look extremely good and there are going to be a lot of maps undeserving of praise because of it. I'm not going to pretend that some people wont get away with that, but does anyone really care at this point? Since day one, Forge in this game has had a million different art styles and aesthetics and this is just another one on top of that. It just sounds like the pettiest non-issue for the sake of stirring the pot. I absolutely expect to see circle jerking crop up - but it'll be an ironic boycott of half of the new objects they just added.
I'm saying I expect the usual peanuts gallery to praise your maps for their aesthetics and all that jazz, regardless of if they're novel or not. Most of you are my friends, but you do have a tendency to blow each other over even your most mundane of maps, and I have ZERO reservations on calling y'all out for it. No real reason for me to say it now of all times, it's just been something that's kind of bothered me a bit for awhile now. I'm not saying y'all are bad forgers, and I'm most certainly not trying to **** talk you, I'm just pointing out that while most of your maps are great, you do have duds that get praise that wouldn't be given to an equivalent map by a relatively unknown forger. Now I'll just sit back while I get flamed and what not, because I know most of y'all won't handle this well at all.
Dude I haven't even said anything yet about ANYONES map what are you going on about. Im not even sure what map you're taking about but sure, if someone is going to build a map out of nothing but other people's prefabs then that's lazy forging. If he made the structures himself then it wouldn't be. Is that so radical to think? Which is completely ****ing different than using sangheli pieces, because they're barebone pieces given to everyone and no other object in the pallet looks like them. It's COMPLETELY different than using prefabs what kind of stupid argument is that. Are you going to tell me I can't use the human structural pieces because it's lazy and I should make everything out of primitive polygons? Do me a favor and name a single time I've ever praised a friends shitty map, or better yet name a great map I've knocked because it was made by someone I don't like. I've never had an issue telling people I don't like what they've made, I told it to Goat last night and I tell it Given for 90% of the **** he makes until something good comes out if it. Same goes for xandy. You're not even being "real" or "straight up" right now you're just saying **** for the sake of saying something. I don't even like using the sangheli pieces for Christ sake, and I certainly haven't posted anything here in MONTHS criticizing or praising a map. I seriously have no idea what you're going on about but it seems like youre just saying **** to start something.
Remember this map Multi? You most certainly did **** talk the kids pieces, straight up said it looked like he ripped a bunch of prefabs from other forgers, and that it took no skill at all on his part to make. My concern is that people are going to be praising the usual forgers for amazing use of the Sangheili pieces, when really, there's nothing very novel about such piece usage at all. Clearly I've struck a nerve here.
I've typed and deleted like 5 different responses right now trying to figure out how to even respond to this ridiculous idea. Frankly, it's not worth entertaining because of where it stems from. I wasn't aware that people care about the tool someone uses more than the work they produce.
Ah yes, the good 'ol discredit the poster approach. I should have expected such a petty and juvenile response. Did I strike a nerve? You butt hurt much? Oh, wait, I know! I'm the butt hurt one!
What you said on the last page doesn't mean anything to me. But I'll say that I'm exhausted because I've been staying up and Forging with all the new and exciting objects. I'm having fun playing around in Forge again and the absolute last thing on my mind is whether someone thinks my piece usage is interesting or not. If you or one of these 'no name Forgers' have a brilliant way to kitbash 12 pieces in a way that is more deserving of praise than someone else, then post it in this thread instead of creating hysteria where there is none. Without that, you just look like an old man yelling at a cloud.
You've struck a nerve because you're rambling irrelevant bullshit that has nothing to do with anything. Yes, I remember that map. I despised it then and I do now, what's your point? It was loaded to the brim with incoherent prefabs that didn't match. And if he were the one who made them? Then good for him, I still don't care for the forge quality or the design. What's your point here? I asked you to show me a good map I've knocked and you've showed me a horrible one. Literally no one here is praising anyone for anything sangheli. Anyone who's been in a party with me in the past several days knows I don't care for the pieces. And that seems to be a theme with most other people I've talked to as well. So what exactly inspired you to post this rant again? I don't recall there being any friction between anyone here.
There are 3 types of Forgers: There are the Pioneers, the Followers, and the Hipsters. Picture it like a thermometer. Pioneers are hot and steamy passionate, Followers are lukewarm and Hipsters are too kewl 4 skewl. The Pioneers are the trailblazers who are always pushing Forge further and always doing something cool. They're almost always guaranteed to have their maps receive a lot of attention because they are known for innovation. WyvernZu is the most obvious example. She could script an Elite statue sinking into moving sand, call it "quicksand canvas" and it would get 12k downloads overnight. A lot of us have been pioneers at one point or another. I was a pioneer for the Sangehelios theme in this game months ago. Demption was arguably the pioneer for non-Halo aesthetics in this game. Sethiroth and Solo were pioneers for human aesthetics and then Given To Fly pushed them even further. No God Anywhere pioneered remakes. And hell, even Schnitzel was a pioneer for Forerunner stuff very early in the game. But what really makes this type of Forger is the fact that they never stop moving forward and challenging themselves. And I'd say very few people stay in this category for long. So they might become a Follower instead. Avoiding the negative connotation, someone who follows in Forge is simply someone who is not trying to reinvent the wheel every time they make a map. They might just be working with established aesthetics and trends - perhaps even prefabs - and there's nothing wrong with that. There are maps I haven't posted because I wanted to be a Pioneer instead and keep pushing the envelope, but that gets exhausting and sometimes an idea just wants to be safe and familiar. Sometimes you just want a home cooked meal and not a 5 course. And then there are the hipsters. The people who make what they like, are comfortable with their method, and don't care what anyone else is doing or what anyone thinks. Going back to the thermometer example, you can literally be any one of these things at any point depending on how interested you are in Forge. But it should come as no surprise that most people prefer warmer temperatures, and are therefore more likely to gravitate towards those individuals.
One, I was actually a follower. My Forerunner aesthetic was because y'all forced me to do my own ****. Two, I quit forging like half a year ago. Three, I'm just here for the lulz. That, and I love you guys. Well, not love, but I think of you as friends and I stick around to interact with you. --- Double Post Merged, Dec 12, 2016 --- Mostly idle hands being the devil's play things.
I'm using the new Sangheli pieces to re-do my map Navigator. They truly look like my original vision/concept art for the map, plus I was never happy with how it turned out. It's a snowy map with grey temple/ruins structure, so when I saw goats new map with the exact same aesthetic, I was bummed for a minute. I'm sure people will think I'm ripping off his visuals, just because he posted it first and is a more well known forger. But then I remembered I forge because I like too. Simple as that. If people like my map, awesome. If not, awesome as well. I like the way my new version is turning out. I don't care if that makes me a forge "pioneer", a "follower" or a "hipster". I dont care. I just like building ****. EDIT: no disrespect to goat or his map, it looks ****ing great dude