Those maps were submitted quite a while ago and have gone through extensive testing at 343 with their pro team. They felt that some maps should be held back due to gameplay related issues. Congrats to all and we hope to see some more 2v2 maps from you

Is there any other information on this? What maps were held back and what sorts of issues were deal breakers, as opposed to others that were accepted? (e.g. combat revolving around one area.)

To my knowledge Frank, Heads Up and Orxgens were pulled. Each for different reasons. For example, Orxgens was deemed more suitable for a higher player count. We worked with the forgers and did what we could to help each map enter the playlist.

When you, as a person who is familiar with the maps, play against players who are seeing these maps for the first time, you are obviously going to be winning almost every game. So naturally you are going to be setting the tempo, the trends, etc. So those problems this early on in that context are not reflective of the map. They are reflective of how you choose to play those maps.

The player getting dominated who has never played the map before or no more than once or twice is going to obviously try to mimic or mirror your strategy and tendencies in an attempt to replicate your success.

I'm not sure how, as someone who makes and tests map, you aren't aware of this phenomenon. I have repeatedly been able to convince players to play a certain way on maps without saying a word to them just by beating them a certain way.

Just some food for thought.

sad to hear about the maps being pulled, I'd like to hear the prolems with heads up, for feedback purposes. So we can work around those issues.

I played them all and my conclusion is that I still hate halo 5









and why isn't goldleaf in matchmaking?

I know exactly what you're talking about, I'm moreso basing this on tests on the doubles maps that I've done in the months prior. Like I said, I don't think Purple Reign is broken like I think Malta and Hazard are. But I've definitely seen the map revolve around the highest platform in the corner above PC, even before I played the latest iteration I thought it would be disproportionately powerful. It's not gamebreaking but if it were my map I'd reduce the dancefloor up there and punch more line of sights in from the opposite corner so you could at least provide pressure from elsewhere. Regardless, I think most people agree it's one of the better maps. I'm just foreseeing some redundancy in the future of doubles when it comes to the meta of most the maps in the playlist except optic and cobalt.

Update, I played malta a total of like 7 times now and it just keeps getting worse lol.

Can this playlist please just become permanent, like right now? These maps are soooo much better than developer maps imo.

What's Goldleaf?

This makes me literally sick at my stomach. The fact that I've been forging for so damn long and I still cant make anything MM worthy. I give up (table flip emoji)

/self pity rant

Gratz to you guys who made it in. At least the forge community is really getting some great representation out there now.

Even with the playlist up, it leaves something to be desired.

Kinda like the entirety of H5, eh?

How are you at building boxes?

I don't want to get in with a grif ball map. I've been trying forever to get in with a competitive map but meh. One cool thing is I went 20 & 1 on Cobalt thanks to my knowledge of the map compared to these newbz!

Something that annoyed me on Malta. My teammates and I jumped from middle OS spawn up to the top level and fell to our deaths several times because we couldn't clamber on certain ledges that are within reach. I will have to bookmark this map and try it again several times to confirm it. I don't know if anybody else has experienced this or if it was intended.

Anyway. I'm having fun in this playlist even if it can get very sweaty sometimes haha. Congrats to everyone who got their maps in

4v4 forge playlist next?

Whoo an entire playlist of nothing but sweaty forged maps! You guys showed up 343 and proved that forge is worth investing in. Congrats to all.

i got my emblemz

I think we figured that out with BTB.

I hate to be that guy, but now that I played a bunch on all these maps I'm kinda disappointed. Malta , imo, has no business in the playlist. It feels so damn random & it even looks bad. I'm not usually the kind of person to say something like that but when it gets through testing by the game developers & gets in I'm like "wow". Could just be my opinion not shared by others. I don't really like optic prison either honestly, (Sorry purely, no offense). Maybe it's my bad play style but it's not a fun/interesting map to me. Plus it's a lot of squares, like I know 45 degree angles don't make pro maps but geez, every corner is straight 90 degrees. I'm also not a fan of having all 4 power ups on a map & no power weapon. I don't consider the hydra to be one though I do like the way it plays in that center atrium (cough rectangle cough) Same with Hangar. hangar looks freakin amazing but I feel like the outer rooms are huge but it's just running in circles around a bunch of square rooms. I like Purple Reign, looks awesome, has variety (except for the all Covie weapons) but I had fun on it. I like cobalt BUT you would not believe the amount of people I ran into that said "this is just a remake of that Halo 1 map with holes in the floor!" Lol.

I hope nobody takes offense to this. It's just my opinion & I'm a very mediocre at best player so I probably don't have the best setups & skills to play these properly. I also played alone so I was matched up with random Joes.

With all that said I can't complain much since this was the best of what we had huh? What can you do?

Congratulations to all the winners! It really was fun playing these maps, and I do feel that we did our jobs, as judges, to select what we felt provided the most competitive and enjoyable 2v2 experiences.

Now we just need to make it a permanent playlist....