Science only goes as far as to establish cause and effect. If you want to reject any other form of evidence that's fine, but you've ceased to be a indivudual thinking human being at this point. Here are some verses straight from KJV since you don't want to look them up for yourself. Job 27:1 To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? Or hast though walked in search of the depth? Just a few out of the list, they are so specific you can actualy know which one they are talking about. The book of job realy is full of wisdom, if your curious why they all happen to be from the same book. You can do this yourself, i gave you a manusrcipt of ancient text with various prophecys that where fulfilled. Here is another one... Timothy 4:3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions You believe what you want to beleive.
1: wind has no weight, wind is the movement of air. 2: space isn't nothing, space is full of stuff everywhere. 3: that sounds like its talking about waves to me, i have no clue what that is actually trying to describe. looking it up only finds religious sites or a city, can't find any science sources for it. 4: that sounds like a desperate person trying to prevent people from exploring other teachings that contradicts his own. i don't see any prophecies that have come true. sources: https://eo.ucar.edu/basics/wx_2_c.html http://www.space.com/24870-what-is-space.html science never believed in flat earth, the idea that science or religion believed in it is a myth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth stars aren't countless, we have a good estimation: http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Herschel/How_many_stars_are_there_in_the_Universe job28:25 looks to be talking more about the wind the air actually having weight, translations seem to differ slightly but the most common interpretation is wind not air, wind is the movement of air. its talking about the force of air moving not the weight that air has. https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Job 28:25 job 38:19-20 isn't talking about light moving, i'm not entirely sure what it's trying to say, sounds like it's trying to ask how light comes to exist?: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38:19-20&version=ESV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+38:19-20&version=NIV earth sitting on a large animal, the world turtle wasn't a scientific belief, it was mythology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_turtle i can't be bothered to try and look up the rest because i just keep getting no results or only religious doctrine. if you're only using religious apologetics as your source then that is entirely where your problem is coming from, the sources you're choosing are deliberately misrepresenting religious texts and science in order to try and further the religion. if anything was true people wouldn't need to resort to such manipulative tactics in order to try and appear correct, other times it's just people abusing how gullible people can be in order to get rich off it. it's entirely up to you if you only want to use one side as your source for EVERYTHING but don't try and treat it as right or accurate without first researching it yourself across multiple sources, religious and none-religious. i feel like i'm putting too much effort into this...
i don't know, i find being told i'm not thinking for myself for not following a religious doctrine and instead coming to my own conclusion from researching multiple angles myself while at the same time being told i can believe what i want in a contradictory manner as very immature, childish and extremely disrespectful.
1: http://weather.about.com/od/lessonplanselementary/ht/air_has_mass.htm 2: During the creation there was at one point nothing, and then the earth. What's interesting about this verse is the stretching of the heavens, the observable constant expantion. 3:http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Re-St/Springs.html It would've been impossible to discover these during the time 4: It sounds like an all knowing being that has fullfilled previous prophecy and again we can see is being fullfilled to this day. And it's not just you, everybody wants to do what they want, and not call themselves to discipline. You are running your credability dry
You cease to be a free thinker if you refuse new information and hold fast to comfortable beliefs. You have rejected philosophical prinscipalities, historic documants, etc. I'm sorry if you take offence, but it is just willfull ignorance. The bible has not proven to be falible, no matter my previous doubts and skepticism i always find new revealation and realise it was my own fault, or subcoming to the deciet and fallicous argumants of others. Of course i would be open to critisim and new information, just at this current point in time am amazed at what you might call coincidence.
1: wind is the movement of air not air itself, yes air has mass and therefore weight but its talking about WIND, a physical force, and not air. see previous source. 2: the earth was not the first thing to exist in our universe or even our solar system, heaven does not mean space, it means the sky and/or after life. 3: it specifically said springs of the ocean not springs of the land. i can't find anything on springs being found in the ocean. 4: multiple peer reviewed citations needed for such an outlandish claim please. 5: can you please stop trying to degrade me? you're just making yourself look like a selfrightious asshole at this point. from my point of view your saying "here, this book has the answer, everything else is wrong and you're a puppet if you don't follow this book written thousands of years ago" --- Double Post Merged, Jun 13, 2016 --- i'm not refusing new information, i'm researching it and cross-referencing it amongst multiple sources and so far nothing you've come up with has proven to be credible. can you please stop trying to project yourself onto me? any more and i'm done.
I don't find anything Soldat has said to be degrading or demeaning. You don't need to look for reasons to be offended, the discussion thus far has been fine.
how is telling a person they're not free thinking, not independent, not demeaning and degrading? if "free thinking" is being told how to think by a ****ing book written by ignorant, politically motivated people that contradicts itself multiple times, has most of its writings destroyed or deliberately omitted, then it can kindly **** off and i'm an absolutely glad that i'm not a "free thinker".
1&2 You seem to be taking modern classification into old text to argue your point. This is done often to try to reveal 'flaws' in the bible but classifications are not universal throughout time. 3: My apologies i got ahead of myself http://www.waterencyclopedia.com/Ge-Hy/Hot-Springs-on-the-Ocean-Floor.html And i remind you i was not the one posting memes, calling anyone a religous nut job, etc. I am only calling you out on your argumants. --- Double Post Merged, Jun 13, 2016 --- No, i first gave evidence to support the existance of god. Once we got over that mind barrier it was clear i could proceed to provide evidence for my belief in the bible. And like i said before, the bible does not prove the bible, evidence supports the bible.
no you're right, i was immature as well. 1&2 i'm using the words for what they mean. if that is not what the translation for the bible means when using them then it should, i would imagine be translated more accurately. but i'm pretty much done here since you've yet to counter anything i've said. --- Double Post Merged, Jun 13, 2016 --- no you didn't, i'm still waiting in this evidence. no, the bible and lack of evidence for anything else does not make your biased POV true. i'm done
Though this is an intriguing topic because it allows you to get really imaginative, realistically considering an afterlife is one of the most unimportant and pointless questions would could ever ponder. Unless of course you are running a scam that scares people into both paying you for interpreting a fictional book and obeying simple moral standards of course. Religion was likely made up to make people more accepting of death. There is no soul, so there is no after life. Problem solved.
You can wait all you want, but if you do not have an open mind how could you even begin to consider the opposing argumants? Regardless i do truly apreciate your opposition, i would be lying if i said i havn't grown from this discussion so for that i thank you. --- Double Post Merged, Jun 13, 2016 --- Please read all of the material presented, no need to come to conlcutions when you obviously have been misinformed/missunderstood
People always talk about how these threads are dangerous because religious "nutjobs" get angry, but from my experience it's 99% of the time the anti-religious who make a mess of things. Has any religious person said in this thread "There is a God, you better prepare"? No, the only people making ridiculous blanket statements are the ones who don't believe in God, such as haunted, schnitzel and blaze. You guys have said things like "There is no soul, so there is no after life. Problem solved" and "What happens when you die? Your corpse rots and decomposes. You live on in the memories of a few, but eventually even that fades. Eventually its as if you never existed." What gives you the right to drop your beliefs off as fact and scoff at any opposing view?
The only person acting like an ignorant bigot and being degrading is you. I'm very open to discussing and debating, I love the sport of it and new arguments are always enlightening. But every one of your posts have gotten increasingly hostile and opinionated. Feel free to pull historical evidence regarding the validity of the Bible, but if you're going to pucker up and start spouting off like you just did you should probably leave. Intelligent discussion isn't for everyone, I understand.
Language is a barrier, a barrier that is imperfect. As a Christian myself I do not base my belief in Christ solely off the bible but rather sociological clues. The bible is tool that should not be taken 100% literally. It clearly uses metaphor and various other plays on language and it is up to us to be wise enough to discern that.
because this is what has been observed numorous times. when a living thing dies the body rots. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition if you want to know what happens to the mind, you have to look at what makes the mind and what happens when the mechanisms behind it cease to function. when it comes to soul/conciousness i don't think this is something we can measure or observe so **** knows. but, i did mention before that the quantum mind hypothesis is a good exploration of this area. @MultiLockOn i'm sorry if i don't do passive aggressive as well as you guys.
I think logic is the barrier. The world is growing ever in favor of opinions rule all. Morality is not subjective Logic is not subjective There is good, and bad. Right and wrong.
If there are souls, where are they located in the body? And what happens to the bond it shares with the parallel universes? If one dies, then does the other pass over too? Or do the souls continue to live in their dementions?