I think I agree with that, lol. It feels right to me to always be open to various opinions. I wouldn't say that it's important that we change or 'develop' our own opinions. And I wouldn't say that there's any issue if someone doesn't develop their opinions, or even if they aren't open to other opinions. But I think I'm just nitpicking your words, and we mostly agree on the point.
Listen to what you just said my friend... A thoery is specualtion backed up with evidence. Not all theorys have bore fruit. And specificaly when dealing with origions of the universe, it is only a battle of evidence.
a theory wouldn't even be a theory if it didn't bear fruit... i feel like we're not even speaking the same language.
The point i personaly am pushing on others right now, is to take this possibilty of your place in eternity seriously. This is regardless of my of bias, just take a steo back and look at the evidence laid out in front of you, and follow where it goes.
You must be having some confusion, a theory and a scientific theory are different things. A scientific theory like lets just say- Gravity is called a theory because we cant prove it wrong and cant explain everything about it. As opposed to another example- me saying that I think I can flip a coin heads side up, is just a theory, or a guess.
Theorys that deal with the origions of the universe scientific and otherwise... They are all on equal footing being that we cannot confirm with 100% certainty. Therefore the evidence is all we have to discern what is true from what is not, and the evidence seems to be pointing to a creator.
That is your opinion, not a fact. Likewise, i could say the sky is purple, but thats just my opinion, and its wrong.
But not all religeons are the same, differant doctrines. So if you can play along for now and pretend to accept a god we are left with this. If god left behind for us a book to bring better understanding, relation, whatever, which one would it be? That is where you would start --- Double Post Merged, Jun 12, 2016 --- I don't believe i've said at any point my bais is fact. Relax
please cite multiple sources that shows evidence from outside the universe for his existence. at the moment this is purely you asserting your assumption with absolutely no basis as being the most credible speculation.
My initial argumant still stands, i listed sources already. I keep having to remind poeple to read the OP.
none of them cite evidence that comes from outside the universe and the OP is merely your asserting almost as fact without being able to provide any evidence for it. either cite your evidence or please accept that it is merely your faith with no reason for it. peersonally i don't know, we don't know, how are we going to observe what exists outside our universe to find out where our universe came from and what it might exist inside of? i'm just going to say i don't know and i don't think we're ever going to find out instead of pretending i have the answer from some god damn ancient fairy tales.
If you agree that there must be a uncaused, first cause. Then we have progress If you then agree that this first cause is infinite, then we have progress If you agree that in order for our specific universe to spawn from this infinite cause, that indicates a choice/will. Then we have progress This is very simple stuff actualy and mutualy agreeable for most people. --- Double Post Merged, Jun 12, 2016 --- Of Of course we don't know, and we may never know with 100% certainty. But we can asses the situation, use what we already know of the natural world, and then see what makes the most logical sence. And take it seriously becuase it is the most important question you can ask. You will be dead for an eternity, wether you are athiest or not.
ii just siad, i don't know. if you're not going to cite any evidence i'm going to just put you down as a religious nutjob and move on.
I suggest giving this comic representation of Isaac Asimov's "The Last Question" a read. http://imgur.com/gallery/9KWrH If nothing else, it is an interesting read.
I've already made it clear that when it come to the orgions of the universe, all we can do is speculate, based on the evidence we have. What do you mean evidence outside of our universe? That is a moot question. We can only use evidence that which we can observe from our perspective, im order to aupport claims pertaining to origions. I have presented you with that evidence.
From a religious perspective the question of what happens assumes that there's something beyond the natural, physical world. It makes no sense for a person with that perspective to cite or accept evidence from the natural world. A large quantity of people that don't associate with a religion wouldn't even agree that there's anything beyond the physical. It would make no sense for a person with that perspective to accept speculation about something beyond the physical world. In such a case, a discussion isn't even possible because the people involved are approaching the question from fundamentally different viewpoints. Both sides believe their perspective is obviously right, and they both ARE right, considering the perspective they've viewing the question from. It's like having a balloon that's red on one side and blue on the other side, letting two different people see only one side of the balloon, and then expecting them to come to some agreement about what color it is. One is going to see a red balloon. The other is going to see a blue balloon. They're both going to be certain that they're right, and that the other person is off their rocker.
But the materialist has a fundemental flaw, there pov on the origion of the universe is equaly as religous, equaly as un-proofable, and unscientific, as any other religeon in the world. We all share the same observations and evidence to support our differant theorys, just differant interpretations We can all see a red shift is evidence of a begining we can agree on that. The differance come when we interpret that begining... Athiests say Nothing Theists say creator Now is it logical to say nothing created everything? Or Somthing created everything --- Double Post Merged, Jun 12, 2016 --- Logic is not subjective