I like maps that feel like actual spaces. I'm an art guy and I personally value strong art direction.

Design is a science that you can learn, and while some people have natural aptitude for it, it's more grounded in quantifiable facts and data relative to the nature of the game, therefore it has a more obvious ceiling. Whereas something like art direction is based in creativity, ingenuity and expression, and is therefore boundless (until you run into framerate). The personality of the designer shines through and I appreciate the people who go the extra mile in this area.

But at the end of the day, most of us are building "Core" maps to actually play in the game. Now that Forge is as powerful as it is, we no longer have to put Gameplay ahead of Art Direction. THEY ARE EQUALS!

This poor community is absolutely cancerous. I mean, I've scoffed at people saying things like that in the past, but wow. rip Halo for real

I'm pretty blunt so I am sure my initial dispute with your claim seemed aggressive but from past experience dealing with this type of ****. When
you don't offer constructive argument back to me. I will call you out. I know how this **** goes and I called it someone got banned. Deservedly, because nothing constructive was offered. I still believe nothing I said was untrue and reading everything that followed just proves my point more. I was told I should apologize. I shouldn't need to apologize for trying to prevent ignorance. I will however apologize for calling you rot. My personal experience with people who have taken this position and responded in a similar way is why you received such a response. Also, art is important but just like a beautiful women they eventually need more to them than being attractive.

Thanks. While it definitely appears that we have our differences based on a single thread's worth of interaction, I suspect that overall we agree more than we disagree.

My apologies for not being clear. Conflict and communication breakdown is inevitable between creative people in all fields, because we so often tend to express ourselves without the use of words.

I suspected that some of the wrath thrown my way was caused by others before me who may have held a similar, yet not my exact opinion.

I did not initially respond directly to your posts because I do not engage in debates with people while they are still hot-headed or "triggered" as you put it. However, I believe I stated my position more thoroughly afterwards. If you still find yourself in opposition to me, that's fine so long as you respect my opinion as one that exists within the Halo community. Some enjoy the game as more of a sport, and some enjoy it in a more laid back fashion. I see no reason for there to be a battle between these two factions.

Whatever opinion any of us may hold, or whatever group we might find ourselves in, no one gets to say that Halo is "our" game. That is the epitome of arrogance and elitism, and the nurturing of it has potential to destroy community.

On the contrary. If you're a fan of Halo post Halo 3, Halo is not your game. And you're part of the issue.

I've been a fan of every game since CE back in college. I could just as easily say that you are part of a "problem" because you may view the game differently than I do.

But, I won't. Because I don't consider an alternate viewpoint of a video game a problem.

There is absolutely no reason anyone should be at odds with anyone else about this until someone decides that the game as a whole should be experienced "their way" only, and all others be damned.

If factions within a given community put up walls, they are destined to starve. Obviously this has happened within the Halo community many times, and I'd hate to see it happen here.

Alternate view points aren't the problem. Bad view points are the problem.

In a game like Halo where small details can make or break the entire experience (ie bloom / h3 br spread) you can very much have the wrong opinion when it comes to game design.

If you think Halo 5 is headed in the right direction, you have the wrong opinion.

just my https://www.google.com/search?q=2+c...UIBygB&biw=1920&bih=979#imgrc=uLFWVskWwprkaM:

I can't tell how late to the party I am, as I've only briefly glanced through this fun house of a comment section, but as someone who use to care ONLY about aesthetics, I must disagree. Anyone who knows me knows I'm really big on making things 'pretty' and that mindset practically crippled anything I made throughout Halo 3 to most of H2A game play wise. For a long time I didn't care about what was known as 'competitive design' because whenever I would load up one of these recommended competitive maps, all I would find are a bunch of cleanly placed blocks, most of the time featuring no actual theme other than 'cleanly forged.' Yawn. Boring. I immediately dictated it as a 'bad map' however I had no idea what I was talking about at the time.

Do maps that feature full aesthetic themes often offer better visual immersion then maps that are made up of cleanly forged geometry? Duh. If I'm playing on a well made farm, I'm gonna feel like I'm on a farm, but If I'm playing on a map that's made up of expertly placed blocks that play into the game play through the careful measurements in geometry... well, I'm still just playing on a bunch of blocks. Visually. And that's the thing. In my opinion, visual immersion and gameplay immersion can be two very different things, and like how millions have stated before me, getting them to blend is ideal.

Referencing Purley's example, lets say we have 2 girls walking down the street. Girl A is smoking Hollywood hot, however has little to no personality, is a gold digger, and hasn't seen Star wars. Girl B is... well, she's not the type of girl you're going to see getting a job in a Victoria's secret commercial- but she's kind, thoughtful, and would actually care about what you have to say.

Guess what- Girl B is better. Even if she's not as 'hot', she's more memorable and will provide an overall better experience then the Girl A, because similar to forge maps, gameplay is more important than aesthetics.

Striking a balance between Girl A and B, (allow me to introduce Girl C) one who is caring and thoughtful but also beautiful and visually stunning is obviously the best of both worlds and who we all fantasize to find, similar to the maps that can play well and look great. However, even if a map doesn't look great visually, if it's gameplay is stellar then it is simply a better map that an aesthetic map that harbors a slew of gameplay errors. Why do we keep looking back on games from the past with nostalgia? The graphics were crap! I wasn't immersed in Halo 2's Zanzibar! No way in hell did it look 'real'. But it played well, therefore I enjoyed my time there, therefore it became memorable, and therefore the map's true beauty came out, because the content of the product will always out way the visuals.

Just like girls, or any human being, you have to look past how something 'looks' in order to be able to see the true beauty within. Same applies to forge maps.

'Disclaimer: this comment opinion based: End Disclaimer'



PS: tesla should have been in the top 3, ok colson out *peace*

I enjoy any halo game for the small sliver of entertainment it represents within my life, nothing more. It's just a video game we're talking about, not a political candidate.

@Tom Cinder

I happen to agree with everything you've said. Only, in addition, I'm not likely to settle for Map B when there is no longer any excuse to not have Map C.

So much pride.

I honestly have no ****ing clue why everyone is arguing now/still.

Me too!

Oh of course. But, we are on a video game forum. People are passionate about it, and if you can make the best product, you should.

The discussion is cool, but let's please refrain from attacking people with one preference or another. In the end, all of us have fun manipulating pixels on a screen, and no one is a problem if they like it one way or another.

Jesus christ that comparison lol